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  1. *knock knock* Who's there? Not Jezrien anymore!
  2. Does this also suggest that the humans on Roshar are descended from Yolish stock? Or did Adonalsium create humans on multiple worlds pre-shattering?
  3. I think that we are wrong in assuming that there will be new Heralds. As was pointed out earlier, the Oathpact doesn't work. Instead I think that there will be 10 new Champions of Honor, individuals directly connected to Honor, but not bound to the Oathpact. I would propose the following individuals for these roles: Kaladin (replacing Jezrien) Szeth (replacing Nale) Lift (replacing Vedel) Shallan (replacing Shalash) Jasnah (replacing Battar) Venli (replacing Kalak) Taln Navani (replacing Ishar) Shalash (replacing Chanarach) Renarin (replacing Pailiah) Questionable: Shalash, Shallan, Renarin, Venli So where is Dalinar? He has replaced Honor and is supplying the Champions with Investiture directly. Crazy theory, I know, but that's where my head is at.
  4. I have more hope for Taln. Remember at the end of Oathbringer when he was going to meet Dalinar (who may or may not be the new Honor) despite not knowing who he was? Notice that he did not degrade back into raving when the Perpendicularity closed. My theory is that the Heralds' madness began with the death of Honor and the loss of their bond with him. I suspect that Dalinar will be rebuilding these bonds (as he is a Bondsmith) and may help heal Taln's madness.
  5. I totally missed that the Wandersail story represented Honor and the Knights Radiant.
  6. So we think that Parshmen were formed when Bo-Ado-Mishram was imprisoned. But how exactly did that happen? In order to answer this, we should examine the differences between Parshmen and Parshendi. Parshmen look similar to dullform (slaveform) Parshendi. It is mentioned that one of the Five is in dullform in order to remember who they were when they threw off their gods and had not yet learned how to bond spree and take on forms again. The other big difference, beside the ability to bond spren, is the ability to hear the Rhythms. Gavilar noted this as being unique, implying that Parshmen did not do this. The inability of Parshmen to bond spren or hear the Rhythms suggests that their Connection to Roshar was replaced with a Connection to Bo-Ado-Mishram. When Bo was imprisoned, this Connection was broken and the Parshmen left unconnected to each other and the world, making enslaving them easy. The Everstorm seems to have functioned to restore this Connection. This suggests that Bo had at least some of the same abilities as a Bondsmith, in terms of manipulating Connection.
  7. I dont think this has to be about Syl. Shalash continues vandalizing artwork even through Oathbringer. Also, she fits better with "daughter of kings and winds". Jezrien (her father) was both a king and the Windrunner herald.
  8. I really like the idea of Kaladin replacing Jezrien as the King of the Heralds. That actually makes perfect sense based on his character, and it makes this Rattle fit in context.
  9. My goal in this thread is to analyze the Death Rattles we have answers to, may have answers to, or have no answers to. I have included Coppermind annotations, with my own annotations beneath in bold. In my interpretations, I am working from the belief that the Death Rattles are entirely forward-looking. I have numbered the Death Rattles in the order they appear in the Coppermind in order to mention links between them more easily. 1. You've killed me. Bastards, you've killed me! While the sun is still hot, I die! ” — Collected on Chachabah 1171, 10 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed soldier thirty-one years of age. Sample is considered questionable.[7] This sample is unclear, although I speculate that this is a foreshadowing of Jezrien's murder. 2. “The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his. Oh Stormfather... we are his. It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes. ” — Collected on Shashahes 1171, 31 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed pregnant woman of middle years. The child did not survive.[8] It is estimated this came exactly 1229 days before the advent of the Everstorm. It is possible that these Rattles are less than fully accurate, or that whoever gave this death rattle valued poetry over technically accurate detail or, given the specific phrasing, that this was perhaps a foreshadowing to a time 229 days in the future when someone else would prophecy that it would be 1000 days until the Everstorm. I largely agree here with the Coppermind author. It is worth considering that the timing may be deliberately wrong since Moelach can apparently send disinformation through the Rattles. 3. “Ten orders. We were loved, once. Why have you forsaken us, Almighty! Shard of my soul, where have you gone? ” — Collected on Kakashan 1171, 5 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a lighteyed woman in her third decade.[9] The "ten orders" could be a reference to the Knights Radiant, and their belief that the Almighty had abandoned them could have led to the Day of Recreance. I think in this case the subject is clearly a Knight Radiant. "Shard of my soul" is likely in reference to a spren. Little else can be inferred here, although I disagree with the idea that this refers to the Recreance, as Death Rattles seem to be forward-looking rather that backward. 4. “A man stood on a cliffside and watched his homeland fall into dust. The waters surged beneath, so far beneath. And he heard a child crying. They were his own tears. ” — Collected on Tanatesev 1171, 30 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a cobbler of some renown.[10] Unclear at this point who this refers to. I theorize that this is either Dalinar overlooking the destruction of Kholinar or a future version of Taravangian watching Kharbranth being destroyed. 5. “I'm dying, aren't I? Healer, why do you take my blood? Who is that beside you, with his head of lines? I can see a distant sun, dark and cold, shining in a black sky. ” — Collected on Jesanach 1172, 11 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a Reshi chull trainer. Sample is of particular note.[11] This rattle appears to reference Shadesmar, based on the description of the sun and sky, and a Cryptic. I agree with the analysis of the author here. However, I would go farther and suggest that there is either a Lightweaver among the Silent Gatherers or that Vedel is among them. Given the twisting of the Heralds and Vedel's association with love and healing, this would make sense. 6. “I have seen the end, and have heard it named. The Night of Sorrows, the True Desolation. The Everstorm. ” — Collected on Naneses 1172, 15 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed youth of unknown origin.[12] 7. “I'm cold. Mother, I'm cold. Mother? Why can I still hear the rain? Will it stop? ” — Collected on Vevishes 1172, 32 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a lighteyed female child, approximately six years old.[13] These two seem to be general predictions of the Everstorm. 8. “They are aflame. They burn. They bring the darkness when they come, and so all you can see is that their skin is aflame. Burn, burn, burn... ” — Collected on Palahishev 1172, 21 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a baker's apprentice.[14] Refers to the properties of Stormform Parshendi, particularly the part about burning. Their skin is black and red, easily described as aflame. 9. “Victory! We stand atop the mount! We scatter them before us! Their homes become our dens, their lands are now our farms! And they shall burn, as we once did, in a place that is hollow and forlorn. ” — Collected on Ishashan 1172, 18 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a lighteyed spinster of the eighth dahn.[15] This rattle appears to refer to humans conquering Roshar and exiling the Dawnsingers to Braize. I disagree with the author here. Again, I see Death Rattles as a forward-looking mechanism. This to me represents the Fused describing their plan for the world as they drive humans back. 10. “Ten people, with Shardblades alight, standing before a wall of black and white and red. ” — Collected on Jesachev 1173, 12 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject an ardent member of the the Silent Gatherers, overheard during his last moments.[16] This to me represents the defense of Thaylenah. The ten would be Dalinar, Kaladin, Szeth, Lift, Teft, Jasnah, Shallan, Renarin, Ash, and Taln. You could easily also argue Venli to replace either Ash or Taln. 11. “Three of sixteen ruled, but now the Broken One reigns. ” — Collected on Chachanan 1173, 84 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a cutpurse with the wasting sickness, of partial Iriali descent.[17] This rattle apparently refers to the sixteen Shards of Adonalsium, three of which (Honor, Cultivation, and Odium) are invested in Roshar. Here I 100% agree with the author. 12. “I'm standing over the body of a brother. I'm weeping. Is that his blood or mine? What have we done? ” — Collected on Vevanev 1173, 107 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was an out-of-work Veden sailor.[18] Unknown. May represent a future division in an order of the Knights Radiant. 13. “He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear! ” — Collected on Vevahach 1173, 8 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a prostitute of unknown background.[19] I think this refers to Dalinar. The title is Bondsmith. The tower is Urithiru, the crown is Dalinar's position as overking. The spear I do not have an explanation for as yet. 14. “The burdens of nine become mine. Why must I carry the madness of them all? Oh, Almighty, release me. ” — Observed on Palaheses 1173, collected secondhand and later reported to the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a wealthy lighteyes.[20] This rattle appears to be from the perspective of the Herald Talenel, the only Herald to be return, through death, to wherever the Heralds went to be tortured between Desolations at the end of the Last Desolation. This foreshadows Taln's breaking under torture and beginning the Desolation. 15. “A woman sits and scratches out her own eyes. Daughter of kings and winds, the vandal. ” — Collected on Palahevan 1173, 73 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a beggar of some renown, known for his elegant songs.[21] This rattle is believed to refer to the Herald Shalash, the daughter of the Herald Jezrien, Herald of Kings and patron of the Order of Windrunners.[22] Shalash is also Baxil's mistress who destroys art, including depictions of a specific Herald, believed to be those of Shalash herself. This sample is particularly interesting. If the Rattles are really forward-looking, this suggests that Shalash has recently started her destruction of artwork. Given that Ishar has only recently ignited a religious war, and that statues of Shalash still exist (as they would likely not after 4,000 years of focused destruction), what have the Heralds been doing and where have they been between the last Desolation and now? 16. “Light grows so distant. The storm never stops. I am broken, and all around me have died. I weep for the end of all things. He has won. Oh, he has beaten us. ” — Collected on Palahakev 1173, 16 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a Thaylen sailor.[23] This may be a description of the coming of the Everstorm, but I believe that this is more likely a future event. 17. “I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw. ” — Collected on Shashanan 1173, 23 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed youth of sixteen years. Sample is of particular note.[24] Unknown as yet, but likely to refer to a climatic event. 18. “Re-Shephir, the Midnight Mother, giving birth to abominations with her essence so dark, so terrible, so consuming. She is here! She watches me die! ” — Collected on Shashabev 1173, 8 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed dock-worker in his forties, father of three.[25] Foreshadowing of the murders in Urithiru by the Midnight Essence. This could actually be a description of Sadeas' death, as it is the first to be mimicked. 19. “The death is my life, the strength becomes my weakness, the journey has ended. ” — Observed on Betabanes, 1173, 95 seconds pre-death, collected secondhand and later reported to the the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a scholar of some minor renown. Sample considered questionable.[26] This rattle appears to reference the First Ideal of the Knights Radiant: Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Agreed. Sample may also be a prediction of a Knight Radiant breaking their vows, or Taln breaking under torture on Braize. 20. “Above the final void I hang, friends behind, friends before. The feast I must drink clings to their faces, and the words I must speak spark in my mind. The old oaths will be spoken anew. ” — Collected on Betabanan 1173, 45 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a lighteyed child of five years. Diction improved remarkably when giving sample.[27] This rattle appears to be from the perspective of Kaladin during the Battle of the Tower, moments before he swears the Second Ideal of the Windrunners. The "final void" is a chasm over which he is jumping. The "friends behind, friends before" are the members of Bridge Four behind him and the army of Dalinar Kholin trapped by Parshendi before him. The "feast I must drink" is Stormlight stored in the gemstones knotted into the malen Parshendi's beards. The "words I must speak" is the Second Ideal. The "old oaths" are the Immortal Words. Agreed. Very clear interpretation here. 21. “In the storm I awaken, falling, spinning, grieving. ” — Collected on Kakanev 1173, 13 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a city guardsman.[28] This may refer to Szeth during his fight with Kaladin. He falls, spinning through the storm. He grieves for his actions. He is awakened in the storm by Nale when he is revived. 22. “The darkness becomes a palace. Let it rule! Let it rule! ” — Collected on Kakevah 1173, 22 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed Selay man of unknown profession.[29] This refers to the corruption of the Queen of Alethkar by Yelig-nar. 23. “I wish to sleep. I know now why you do what you do, and I hate you for it. I will not speak of the truths I see. ” — Collected on Kakashah 1173, 142 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a Shin sailor, left behind by his crew, reportedly for bringing them ill luck. Sample largely useless.[30] Subject may be resisting speaking their visions because they understand what the Silent Gatherers are doing. 24. “They come from the pit, two dead men, a heart in their hands, and I know that I have seen true glory. ” — Collected on Kakashah 1173, 13 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a rickshaw puller.[31] This rattle appears to refer to Kaladin and Shallan Davar returning to the Warcamps at the Shattered Plains following an ill-fated expedition. The "pit" is a reference to the chasms. the "two dead men" are Kaladin and Shallan, presumed to be dead after falling into a chasm. The "heart" is an emerald gemheart they harvested from a chasmfiend they encountered and killed on their return journey. Very straightforward interpretation. 25. “I see them. They are the rocks. They are the vengeful spirits. Eyes of red. ” — Collected on Kakakes 1173, 8 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed young woman of fifteen who was reportedly mentally unstable since childhood.[32] This rattle refers to the awakening of Thunderclasts.[33] This is further reinforced in Oathbringer, where the "vengeful spirits" are the mindless Fused. 26. “That chanting, that singing, those rasping voices. ” — Collected on Kaktach 1173, 16 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a middle-aged potter who reported seeing strange dreams during highstorms during the previous two years.[34] Possibly referencing the events at the end of Words of Radiance, and the summoning of the Everstorm. The most logical interpretation so far. 27. “Let me no longer hurt! Let me no longer weep! Dai-gonarthis! The Black Fisher holds my sorrow and consumes it! ” — Collected on Tanatesach 1173, 28 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed female street juggler.[35] The Silent Gatherers have noted a similarity between this death rattle and one they denote as "sample 1172-89". Unclear. May suggest that Dai-Gonarthis is an Unmade that draws strength from sorrow and pain. 28. “They named it the Final Desolation, but they lied. Our gods lied. Oh, how they lied. The Everstorm comes. I hear its whispers, see its stormwall, know its heart. ” — Collected on Tanatanes 1173, 8 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was an Azish itinerant worker. Sample of particular note.[36] Straightforward prediction of the Everstorm. 29. “All is withdrawn for me. I stand against the one who saved my life. I protect the one who killed my promises. I raise my hand. The storm responds. ” — Collected on Tanatanev 1173, 18 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed mother of four in her sixty-second year.[37] Refers to Kaladin saving the king from Moash during the storm. I am forced to disagree with this interpretation. While it could be argued that Moash saved Kaladin's life, the description "the one who killed my promises" seems to not fit Elkohar very well. Kaladin also does not raise his hand until after the Stormfather and Syl have a minor disagreement. I personally feel that this fits Dalinar much better, as he is the one most likely to be able to make a storm respond by raising his hand. Also, the "All is withdrawn for me" section seems more inline with an Ascended Dalinar than Kaladin defending Elkohar. 30. “Above silence, the illuminating storms—dying storms—illuminate the silence above. ” — Collected on Tanatanev 1173, 18 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was an illiterate Herdazian.[6] Refers to the collision of the Everstorm and highstorm at the end of Words of Radiance. 31. “He watches! The Black piper in the night. He holds us in his palm... playing a tune that no man can hear! ” — Observed circa 1172. Subject was Cenn, a member of Kaladin's squad in Brightlord Meridas Amaram's army.[38] This likely refers to one of the Unmade, possibly Dai-gonarthis. Further analysis is impossible at this point. Possibly connected to 27. 32. “They break the land itself! They want it, but in their rage they will destroy it. Like the jealous man burns his rich things rather than let them be taken by his enemies! They come! ” — Observed circa 1173. Subject was Gadol, a member of Bridge Four.[39] Refers to the soul of the Fused, destroying the whole world in order to destroy the humankind.[40] This may also relate to Dalinar's vision of the world crumbling. This may be one possible outcome of the war. 33. “And all the world was shattered! The rocks trembled with their steps, and the stones reached toward the heavens. We die! We die! ” — Observed circa 1173. Subject was Maps, a member of Bridge Four.[41] See also 32. These are likely related. 34. “The day was ours, but they took it. Stormfather! You cannot have it. The day is ours. They come, rasping, and the lights fail. Oh, Stormfather! ” — Collected circa Tanat 1173 by Taravangian. Subject was a young boy.[5] May refer to the final battle at the end of Words of Radiance. If not, likely foreshadows a future battle. 35. “So the night will reign, for the choice of honor is life... ” — Observed circa Ishi 1173 by Taravangian. Subject was King Valam of Jah Keved.[4] Prediction that someone will be allowed to live and therefore Odium will win a victory. Possibly connected to 17.
  10. I suspect that was not coincidence. Dalinar Ascended at that point and held Honor's power to at least some extent. We know that the Heralds could draw Stormlight directly from Honor, and that Stormlight can heal. I suspect that Taln's Connection to Honor was restored temporarily, and enabled him to be temporarily healed from his madness.
  11. We have a WoB that Honors perpendicularity moves. Odium does not have a shard pool on Roshar itself. Therefore it is Cultivation's by default.
  12. Probably an elsecaller.
  13. And then Shallan trolls her back by writing "clearly not!" below it.
  14. Well damnation. That punches a hole in my wavelength theory of investiture. Nice WoB.
  15. I doubt it. Each type of investiture has its own "wavelength", which is what makes it specific to its shard. While there are ways to cross systems, it requires effort by the user. Given that larkin, as far as we know, are not sentient, it is unlikely that they can cross wavelengths and are therefore restricted to stormlight.