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The Kaladin Stormblessed Center for Kids Who Can't Fly Good And Who Wanna Learn to Lash Other Stuff Good Too.

Buy. It's odd and unique. I like the idea. The entirety of the Cosmere is founded on the concept of multiverse theory being tied into CERN style research on modern Earth. The shattering is the textual equivalent to the work done at CERN, much like atoms breaking up into ~17 sub particles (shards). 6 types of leptons ( which are not strongly interactive, looking at you Bavadin), 6 quarks (strongly interactive, hi Odium), 4 Bosons ( force particles that carry out the "fundamental interactions of nature", here we have Ruin, cultivation etc.) Having established the source and characteristics of the 16 Shards of Adonalsium/ Atoms, we have one remaining mystery. Hoid is the Higgs, the unknown. Oh man I'm going to flesh this out into a more robust theory over my weekend and post it for discussion.

@RShara @Subvisual Haze 11/10 Posts Young Dalinar - Surfeit Old Dalinar - Paramount / Paternal / Grossly Incandescent Gavilar - Harbinger Odium - Deleterious Adolin - Candid Moash - Anathema Lift - quixotic (def 2) Wyndle - Surly Sadeas - Rapacious Szeth - Somber Shallan - Multifaceted Pattern - Fractal Mraize - Clandestine Hoid - Prescient / Conductor Taravangian - Tool (double entendre) Cultivation - Surreptitious (Making things in secret, like TOOLS) Syl - Maternal Kaladin - Icarian (Bro, stop running out of stormlight)

"I will kill who I must, to save who I can."

So many good ones, my first several thoughts have already been covered. So I'll mix it up with the first time Szeth comes for Elhokar in the hallways during the highstorm (WoR chpt 32 "The One Who Hates"). Crazy fight scene, the changes in perspective offers some really cool camerawork opportunities (thinking Matrix / Inception hallway scene). Also, the Last Clap. I picture a slow motion scene with Adolin screaming and reaching out fearing for his father's life, absolute pandemonium, and Dalinar just catches the falling sword in midair. Woooo.

The whole Shallan - Kaladin - Adolin thing became a bit tiresome. I suppose that is clouded by personal feelings though, as I generally do not enjoy romance. If there was as heated an argument over the best scene in the series, I would be writing a dissertation length piece about "To Kill the Wind". Everyone has their thing. I don't like it when a person attempts to quantify suffering to determine who can or cannot become a Radiant. I hate to even call it a topic, but I feel its played out, and distasteful. I don't post often, but I have been coming here nearly every day for about 3 years now. Part of what drew me to this site originally (other than an outright carnal need for answers) was how generally mature and thoughtful the discussions are on these forums. I wish the 17th shard ran the fandom for any number of other interests of mine. As a group, the folks who frequent this site are just fantastic. *Edit- Missed opportunity for horrific wordplay. Oathbringer, From the Urithiru Gem Archive Epigraphs, Chapter 86, " "My spren claims that recording this will be good for me, so here I go. Everyone says I will swear the Fourth Ideal soon, and in so doing, earn my armor. I simply don't think that I can. Am I not supposed to want to help people?" " Not necessarily proof. Perhaps it is different for the different orders. Your point about knowing how to manifest the armor is something I had not thought about before, I just assumed it would be a "stretch for thy hand" kind of moment.

There was a test at some point that named me Willshaper. Seemed pretty in line with the way I view myself so I'll run with it. My go-bag is ready.

I simply took this to represent how well a Ryshadium aided a full shardbearer in battle. Normal horses struggle to carry the weight of someone in shardplate, I don't have access to my copies of the books ATM but I believe there are more than one reference to this fact in the series so far. If memory serves Dalinar accidentally breaks the back of the horse he is riding in one of the flashbacks in OB.

I feel like our views are similar, and you brought up some of my thoughts in a way I could not articulate at this hour. +1 Cheers!

I enjoy Adolin for a number of reasons. He doesn't have any super powers, and this perspective is in my opinion well executed upon to the readers benefit. I would draw a loose parallel to the character Croaker from the black company series. When you have a world in which characters nonchalantly wield neigh-godlike powers, I find it very grounding to observe the awe inspiring events that unfold from the perspective of a character who isn't a superhero. I identify with his character and his little mentioned struggles. Many speak of Kaladin having lived such a rough life, I don't want to downplay the trauma he's experienced in the past few years, but much of his life was one of relative privilege as well. I don't mean to imply that these two upbringings are in any way comparable, merely that Kaladin has not lived an entire lifetime of abject suffering. His struggles to save and help only to fall short are heart wrenching, but they are relatively recent. I don't have the exact #'s but I believe Adolin is only 3? years or so older than Kaladin. Maybe this is purely me projecting myself onto a character, but I see Adolin as a person who has spent his entire life feeling inadequate while trying desperately to to find a sense of accomplishment for his own deeds. I try and focus on the fact that he was brought up in the Alethi society; a culture of rank, religion, propriety, and war. His dad is Dalinar, you know, the Blackthorn. The. Blackthorn. Oh Adolin, that's so cute that you fence well, have you ever engaged in a solo full frontal assault on a fortress? Nice shards, did you earn them in glorious battle like your dad? Oh they were given to you. I heard you handled yourself passably at that fancy party, shame you've never conquered a society of warlords and forged them into a unified kingdom. You talk to your sword? Your dad talks to God. You finally got married, your father did as well...first. It was officiated by a splinter of the Almighty, I heard someone gave a nice speech at yours though... I used to think you were at least a better Alethi than your little brother.. oh wait he glows and sees possible futures and is some awesome new type of super hybrid mega radiant. That really big rock monster that made you feel powerless? It stepped on him and the only result was the monster losing a foot. Good job not quite bleeding to death though. He has almost his entire life striving toward perfection as a soldier and noble and the only time I recall his efforts being lauded onscreen instead of him being corrected or stripped down was when he was cut loose to duel and earn shards. I guess I see him as someone who wants to be able to have impact and make the world better, and feels like nothing he does ever adds up to substance. Honestly, I don't understand how so many people find him bland. I think he has tremendous depth of character, we just haven't spent 800+ pages swimming in just how complicated he is. (I'm looking at you Shallan).

Yea that was the moment for me.

If by hate you mean like Joffrey, then the answer is Moash. I dislike him because he is detestable. Traitor. If you mean from a literary perspective then the answer is Shallan, I don't have to delve into the current political maelstrom of opinions regarding her, I just find that her chapters drag. I find that for me, this is largely due to her "level up" moments feeling a bit anticlimactic in comparison to the other's witnessed onscreen so far. Kaladin has failed an ideal twice when I would have sworn it was coming in that chapter, and I STILL found those moments more of a developmental climax than any moment Shallan has had.

Four on one duel. "To Kill the Wind" is hands down my favorite chapter in the series so far.

To each their own. I can see how for some her character could break the fourth wall. I find her odd mix of wisdom and naivete to be both endearing and insightful.

Wow, Thanks for responding KC, read your post and went to the coppermind to clarify. I had totally missed the character being a world hopper, but it feels good to know my Brandon senser is functioning properly. So we haven't identified who he works for or where his motives lie. I wonder if he is employed by the shard or silverlight, or perhaps a servant of a more nefarious presence in the cosmere.