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  1. Pink Crystal is probably an Aether.
  2. Wasn't the third book supposed to be Szeth's (at the time Brandon indicated it would be obvious by then)? If so, we may need to wait for his book to get more clarity.
  3. She also knew the painting of her was in Mraize's room before entering. Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuun!
  4. Why did I read this and hear "Mwuahahahahahahahah!!!" in my head? Must be me.
  5. Hmm. Rheology. Solid and liquid are ideals, but not spoken ones . Most substances we think of as either solid or liquid really have characteristics of both. And yep, glass is the classic example, as it is actually partly a liquid that flows very verrrrrry slowly. Just check out old stained glass windows or even just old plate glass. It's thicker at the bottom than at the top. The best example is snot, of course. Our bodies can manipulate its characteristics to be more liquid or solid on demand. ...I have no idea what this thread is about.
  6. I was speaking about Kaladin's squires (not Windrunners, but those who can fly only when Kaladin was near). So, nothing of oaths or the structure of the order itself. Because some of Kaladin's squires later achieved a Nahel bond, the line is sometimes confusing. I think for the squires, a relationship matters in some way - all of Bridge 13 goes up as squires to Teft (who trained them) at the end of OB.
  7. I agree Syl dying would be a tragedy, and I don't think Brandon would do that. Though I think I read somewhere that he admired George R.R. Martin's method of killing off important characters, I don't think he'll do that. However, as several people pointed out, Syl dying is only one speculative way this could come to pass. I think passing the bond would be more likely. This rings true to me, but at the same time, Kaladin's personal struggles have a strong effect on magic through his bond with Syl. Not just in the way his adherence to oaths affects her and affects his personal power. The whole squire concept means that people in that Kaladin consider "Us" gain magical abilities. I don't think you can separate them that easily. The whole episode with Kaladin's squires was really the genesis of my post. That members of Bridge Four, who shared in Kaladin's personal struggle through great hardship together, would become his squires makes total sense. But when people started getting added to the mix that never experienced any of that, I started wondering where the limits were. Does Kaladin identifying with them make them his squires, or does their feeling of inclusion in Kaladin's group make it happen? I really don't know; probably both. But I did start paying more attention to Kal's relationship with Bridge Four and their collective sense of identity.
  8. When you listen to NPR in the car, and every day they do their spiel about sponsors and "brought to you by" and you listen with just half an ear because who really pays attention to that sort of thing. And then they always finish with "And the Listeners..." and instead of thinking of the nice people calling in to donate you picture marbled skin and stringy hair. Every. Single. Time. Seriously, no matter how many times I hear that, for some reason I'm never expecting it. I end up speculating and musing about Voidbringers and their motives for supporting NPR.
  9. I was thinking along those lines. I actually had that quote but removed it from the original post as it didn't seem to fit with the flow, possibly because it points at a conclusion that is bad for Dalinar (and Syl), and I didn't want to go too far down the prediction road. It was: The WoB you added certainly adds spice to it. Foreshadowing? One of those things we look back on later and say "Aha! It was here all along!"?
  10. So I finished a re-read of the series after finishing Oathbringer. Hadn't planned to do that, as I did a re-read before starting Oathbringer, but it felt like so many ? moments from the earlier books have now become ! moments, I had to go back. Something I saw this time through is a trend with Kaladin over the arc of the books so far that I had not seen before. What I noticed reminded me of this worthy (non-WoB) quote: What I think: Kaladin has a tendency to shake the "them" box, and then take those that fall out and put them into the "us" box. The origin of this tendency is his father, Lirin. And I think this will become significant in the future. Of course, Kaladin does not start this way. As a slave, Kaladin has been broken down to the point of having an "us" box consisting of one person: himself. And he has been trained like this: Emphasis mine. The quote is from near the end of WoK. Those that have finished Oathbringer will note the contrast between that and what happens later in Kholinar. Bridge Four As we know, Kaladin stops caring just about himself and begins to strongly identify with Bridge Four. Over the course of WoK, they become his "us" people. But what really is Bridge Four? It starts as a set of individuals, but morphs into only an idea, a concept. Even before WoK ends, Bridge Four starts expanding to become Bridge Four Plus, as members from other bridge crews get added to the group. Here's where Kaladin begins helping wounded members of other bridge crews: So, no longer is Bridge Four limited to the original members. Other bridgemen stop being "them" and start getting added to Kaladin's group of "us." And it doesn't stop there: Bridge Four expands further to include, of all things, a Parsh. I think it meaningful for the future of the series that Kaladin brought a parshman into his 'us' group here. After his later return to Bridge Four, Rlain has a tough time, but Bridge Four only continues to grow as a concept and as a group. To include various random Herdazians. And women. And lighteyes. From Rlain's viewpoint: I'm no voidbringer, but if I had to predict the future I would bet Rlain gets over his difficulty and takes to the sky himself. Lighteyes Kaladin's attitude towards lighteyes throughout the books also slowly changes. I doubt I need to point out that lighteyes are strongly in his "them" box at the beginning of the series. But near the end of WoK, we see a small shift: In the interest of not making this fifteen pages longer, I won't trace in detail through all of Kaladin's shifts in attitude about lighteyes, but I will point out that it is masterfully done over the course of several books: his assumption of guard and leadership duties befitting a lighteyes, his ability to fit in with either lighteyes or darkeyes by shifting his own eye color, his realization that lower dahns of lighteyes in the wall guard feel towards the upper just like darkeyes feel towards lighteyes in general, not to mention just about everything with Renarin and Adolin...all these things slowly shift his concept of the lighteyes being "them" to "us." But my main point doesn't apply to Bridge Four or lighteyes. There's another "them" that looms larger: The Parsh Again, emphasis mine. Think back on the scene that WoM* references: immediately behind Kaladin was Bridge Four. You could easily interpret this to say that friends before him were Dalinar and his troops. But what was immediately in front of Kaladin in the actual scene? Who held the stormlight in gemstones in their beards? It's the Parshendi. Wait, so they are the friends now? The actual referenced scene doesn't happen too long after Kaladin labels them "the enemy." *Word of Moelach, of course. And it doesn't stop there, though this tendency does take a break in WoR. In Oathbringer, the trend goes front and center: Along these lines, I particularly like the conversations between Kaladin and Syl, regarding the shifting perspectives of right and wrong, and by inference who is right and wrong, who is "us" or "them." and All this culminates in his inability to keep the Parshmen in his "them" box: and of course in his crisis and inability to continue the fight at a critical juncture, due to these changing perspectives: There we have it. Too many people in the box marked "Us." Kaladin frozen as a result. But could this tendency of his have a different effect in the end? Might he end up putting all of Roshar into the "Us" box, and in doing so ending up being the force that unites? I think there's sufficient foreshadowing going on to point that way. Of course, there are lots of pointers heading in other directions as well, and we all know to be wary of anyone who claims to be able to see the future. So this isn't really a theory. More like it's just an observation I think will become significant. I'm not going to make any real predictions about what this may mean for Kaladin (or Dalinar), as I'd rather let Brandon tell the tale. On the other hand, Kaladin does seem rather well suited to Unite Them should Dalinar...err well, follow Honor's Path.
  11. This is pertinent to the discussion at hand, and always struck me as very odd. While everyone is discussing whether Gavilar or Dalinar are worthy of a bond with the Stormfather, keep the above in mind. In between them, we have a Karbranthian potter. Not just a potter, but one who had so little friends / family / power that the Silent Gatherers were able to grab him. They only take those who won't be missed by society. So how does that fit between two very flawed highprince/king types? The other piece of this is that the Stormfather only sought this bond because he was commanded to by Honor. He did this only reluctantly and with outright hostility towards mankind in general. Even after forming the bond with Dalinar he acts petulant at best. Could it be he was purposely choosing bondsmiths he thought would fail?
  12. I'm sure I'm not the first to come up with this, but my working assumption is that Odium is beaten in book 5, and that Cultivation ends up being the "my God Beyond, what have we unleashed?" in book 6.
  13. Yes. They are saying "You're wrong." And not in an indirect way: they are indeed disagreeing with you. And they are showing evidence. Instead of complaining, bring your own evidence and discuss.
  14. Fair enough. But I think the word 'promise' in this context isn't helpful even if Brandon uses it. I'd say it's more like 'a plot item was raised and then went unresolved.' I would agree an author shouldn't do that. But I don't think we can say authoritatively this is the case. For instance, I personally was greatly looking forward to radiant Jasnah becoming Cosmere-aware after walking a week with Wit, and I wanted to hear something, anything about that in Oathbringer. This was one of the items mentioned in galendo's post that led to mine. So you might think I agree on that point, but instead of disappointment I suffer only from heightened anticipation. I know she learned things. I bet they will heavily impact the future of the series and maybe the Cosmere. Am I mad that Brandon didn't show Wit spilling all (or more likely, what he chose to share)? Am I mad Brandon didn't have Jasnah share everything with her compatriots? No. I'm wondering what the heck did she learn that was so whacked that she's keeping it from the others? It's a long series. I don't expect everything raised to be neatly resolved in the next volume.
  15. I have to say: How exactly did Brandon Sanderson promise anything? How is he breaking a promise? How did he keep a promise before? A promise is something an author makes outside the text of his book. If there's a WoB somewhere that says all those things will happen, I'd like to see it. Foreshadowing, however, is a technique that authors use inside works of fiction. Here Brandon foreshadowed some things, but others may have just been the result of a forum full of crazy obsessed people that have 3 years between books to analyze every word in a set of enormous books in order to predict future events....(hmm, wait a minute, side note: we are VOIDBRINGERS). I personally think it's awesome when Brandon plays with our expectations by hinting at something to come, then in fact taking things the other way. As someone pointed out above, the visit to Hearthstone very likely was written in that way to cause the reader to feel the same way Kaladin did. His surprise was our surprise. Why, exactly, is that a promise broken? Why would we want everything that is foreshadowed to become a checklist to tick off in the next volume? Wouldn't that make life kinda boring?