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  1. 14 points
    Hello everyone! Give it up for the one, the only: Siiiiilence Montane!! *Obvious Desclaimer: I mean no harm, Physical, Cognitive or Spritual, to any of the competitors. Yes, I'm looking at you in particular.
  2. 12 points
    A cloaked figure approached. He pinned a message to the board, taking care to ensure it completely covered the steel plate that had been posted earlier. This is too easy, he thought to himself as he slipped away into the night.
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  4. 11 points
    I have a theory that Szeth was a developing surgebinder/ Knight Radiant prior to becoming the Assassin in White. When he tried to tell others about his powers, or even that the Knight’s Radiant were returning, they refused to believe him, and renounced him Truthless. The first evidence I noticed of this is from Words of Radiance. This is a passage from Kaladin and Szeth’s first encounter: Szeth is horrified and enraged after hearing Kaladin claim to be a Windrunner. He cannot believe the Knight’s Radiant are returning, because if it’s true then he was wrongly named Truthless and all the killing and suffering was put upon him unjustly. Even stronger evidence comes from Oathbringer when Szeth is confiding in Nightblood: I think the voice he is remembering was a spren he had bonded in his youth. A spren he ultimately killed through his actions as the Assassin in White. Does anyone else have any opinions? If he wasn't previously a surgebinder, what was the voice he was referring to? Also, I found it surprising that I couldn’t find anyone else talking about this. Feel free to let me know if there is already a post somewhere on the same topic that I missed.
  5. 11 points
    I swear this was intended to be just a random portrait but several friends told me it reminds them of Shallan so I roll with itP.S I know she is supposed to have blue eyes
  6. 11 points
    Vader Syndrome. Edit: Darn it Cal, don't steal my analogies and ninja me at the same time!
  7. 11 points
    Sorry I’m late! Thanks for saving the best for last!
  8. 10 points
    So... throwbacks to all of this! The person known as "them" finished the Hero of the Ages yesterday. They cried. (Obviously.) ...does it make me a bad person if I laughed while handing them the tissue box?
  9. 10 points
    I have a few memes for y'all. On an unrelated note:
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    A little portrait of Kelsier, Ill probably redo it in a few months when my skills are better
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    Cause the situation is dire, and help is help. It's Vader syndrome. Your most terrifying enemy is a strong ally if they turn. For both Dalinar and Kaladin, it would be hypocritical to condemn him, Dalinar because of his past, and Kaladin because of the Elhokar debacle. For Jasnah, logic wins. If he's truly "changed sides" then he's a powerful ally. She may not trust him until he earns it, but you can work with people tentatively until they do. I understand why everyone sees this as unbelievable... But it's not nearly as farfetched as it seems.
  12. 9 points

    From the album Ghostblood symbol art

    This is actually what I was thinking about making, Mraize with a tattoo ghostblood tear. I think it looks pretty good, and this will probably be the last ghostblood symbol bit of artwork that I glut up the gallery with...
  13. 9 points
    Test the best / magnificent roast / this is Cultivation / isn’t this roasting magnificent / besting the test -Ketek written by an illiterate human after the Third Tournament of the Roast Battles-
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    Bar the windows and lock the door Human the Koloss is back for more. Stormlight Spoilers:
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    Did anyone else hear Chaos say how Evi "tried so hard" and immediately think, "and got so far, but in the end, it didn't even matter"?
  17. 9 points
    Funny then, that his relationship with Shallan, and her support that he doesn't have to be or do things for those reasons, are why he admitted to killing Sadeas, stood up to his father and isn't king. He valued her opinion of him more than Dalinar's. That's a remarkably strong shift that reflects exactly where his feelings lie.
  18. 9 points
    This may or may not be related, but Dalinar has a certain bodyguard named Rial. Rial has a habit of looping a sphere around his fingers over and over again, the kind of thing you do with a coin, which apparently isn't a thing most people do. He's always got a flask on him, and even though he's been reprimanded for it, he openly admits where he's hiding it when Dalinar asks. Despite his insubordination and apparent on-the-job drinking, there's just something Dalinar really likes about the guy. It feels like being around an old friend. He likes having him around, he kind of can't help it. That dude is an Allomancer, I'm certain of it.
  19. 8 points
    Introduction Thus far, we've gotten pretty good glimpses of seven of the ten Surges, by at least one of the Orders that uses them. There are some Order-specific applications (like Dalinar's Spiritual Adhesion), but for the most part we've seen a lot of similarities across orders – Jasnah and Shallan both Soulcast, Szeth's Gravitation looks much the same as it did when he had an Honorblade, and Dalinar and Kaladin can both stick things together using Adhesion. Illumination has been a little funky, but that's part of the ongoing mystery surrounding Renarin. But there are three Surges that we have only seen, at most, glimpses of: Division, Cohesion, and Tension. There are legends of them in the books, we've seen the effects of their application, and Brandon has been a little forthcoming in WoBs, so we do have enough to piece together what these three Surges do. But the collective knowledge of the community is a little lax, so in this thread I’m going to collect all the information we have on these Surges, and then do some exploration and theorizing on them. Here’s my gameplan: · I’ll start off with a survey of sources about the Surge, both book references and WoBs. Then I’ll explain how I see the ‘real-life science’ would work to accomplish that. One section each for Division, Cohesion, and Tension. · The fourth section will explain a Tension/Cohesion continuity error. I’m having a chicken-or-the-egg problem trying to write this whole thing up, so you may get very confused with one of my Cohesion examples. I don’t want to break the flow of the explanation; you can jump down to the section called “Stormfather’s Error,” after the OB chapter 38 example, if it really bothers you. · In the fifth section, I’ll give a potential in-universe Rosharan explanation for these Surges, and why they’re guided by perception to behave the way they do. · In the last section, I’ll talk about Dalinar’s Unity abilities, and why I can’t figure out if they’re a Surge or not. Division Of the three, this is the one we’ve seen in action the most, although it can be a little hard to understand because it is never completely explained. The high-level overview: Division burns things. The first hint is in the very first scene in WoK: No other references in the first book. But we do get some more in the second. Jasnah references Division in WoR chapter 1: Kaladin thinks of it in WoR chapter 41. A WoB from March 14, 2017. We actually get it on-screen from a Dustbringer in OB chapter 107. “ And again, from Yelig-Nar-powered Amaram in OB chapter 120. This Surge works by breaking molecular bonds. A quick chemistry rundown: you’ve got atoms, which are the fundamental building blocks of chemistry. Carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, all those good suckers. (You can divide atoms into with protons and electrons and neutrons, and divide those in turn to smaller particles, but that’s gonna be more the realm of physicists. And because Division doesn’t split atoms, it is a purely chemical Surge.) Atoms will form bonds with one another, attaching in arrangements simple or complex to form molecules. (Think of sticking balls of clay together with toothpicks.) The oxygen molecules we breathe are made of two oxygen atoms stuck together (or bonded); nitrogen molecules are similarly two nitrogen atoms. A water molecule is an oxygen molecule bonded to two hydrogen molecules (H2O). Pure carbon doesn’t form molecules; it forms a big lattice of carbon atoms, each atom bonded to multiple other atoms. Why do atoms form bonds? Because doing so releases energy. An atom on its own is like a ball, balanced on the top of a hill. (This is called a radical.) Rolling down the hill releases energy; the ball moves faster. That’s the same principle as creating bonds; two or more radicals combining into a molecule releases energy. And then it would take energy to remove the bonds; that’s like doing work to carry the ball back up the hill. When you burn something, you break some weak bonds and create stronger bonds (with oxygen atoms). It takes a little energy to break a weak bond (called the activation energy), and a lot of energy is released over what you put in when you form a strong bond (called the heat of reaction). You carry a ball up a small hill, so you can roll it down the other side which has a much deeper valley. You release energy by burning things, even though it takes energy to get it started. So, what Dustbringers do, is they break the bonds between atoms. They can burn things without making them hot first; which is how Malata caused the table to burn. To go back to the ball-and-hill analogy, using Division bores a tunnel through the hill, letting the ball roll straight from one spot to the other without having to be carried up the intermediary height. If something crumbles to dust (one of the other stated applications of Division), it’s stuff that wouldn’t really burn well. You rearrange the atoms, it breaks up so you get a bunch of tiny pieces instead of a large whole. But the new bonds are the same energy as the old bonds, so no energy is released. It just crumbles. But what about burning stone? I’ll just take the chemical composition of granite, for example, from Wikipedia: SiO2 72.04% (silica) Al2O3 14.42% (alumina) K2O 4.12% Na2O 3.69% CaO 1.82% FeO 1.68% Fe2O3 1.22% MgO 0.71% TiO2 0.30% P2O5 0.12% MnO 0.05% That’s already all got oxygen in it. So, if you break those bonds up, and then they reform, where’s the energy come from? Using Division doesn’t just bypass the activation energy; it can add the activation energy to the system. The reverse for something “degrading.” Metal rusting releases energy; it just does it so slowly that there’s nothing noticeable. If you rust metal quickly, that’s called “oxidizing,” and my buddies used to call that “Thermite Thursdays.” So, if you’re going to make metal rust in an instant, Division needs to absorb the heat of reaction. At the end of the day, using Division appears to encompass two sub-abilities, from a chemistry perspective. It breaks chemical bonds (changing the chemical composition of the target substance). And it also can add or remove energy from the system, depending on the intent of the Surgebinder; if they want it hot, they get it hot. If they want it room-temperature, the Surge balances out the heat that would be released. I don’t see an issue with these two abilities working in tandem; unlike some of the issues I had with steelpushing in another thread (where a single variable was needed to constrain many different scenarios), a Division user isn’t inherently limited to only a single kind of application. I think they could have metal rust or burn, depending on what they felt like at that moment. Cohesion Cohesion make things moldable, remove lattices and makes something more of a liquid. The first legend is in WoK chapter 59. The second legend is from Shallan, in WoR chapter 63. (I'm going to say Cohesion, because of the "command." Division is always touch; Cohesion can be at range.) Another legend in WoR chapter 77. “ After WoR, there was a single Cohesion WoB. March 8, 2014. In the third book, we actually begin to see it in action. OB chapter 38. (If you are not satisfied that this is an application of Cohesion, feel free to jump down to Section 4, and then come back here.) And again, this time another Surge from Amaram. OB chapter 120. This Surge is partially a step above the bonds within atoms. Molecules will also form bonds; weaker bonds, but bonds nonetheless, that can hold groups of molecules together. In the liquid state, water molecules are attracted enough to one another that they stick together loosely. When you cool them down, they’ll arrange themselves into a lattice structure, and you get solid ice. The bonds between hydrogen and oxygen within the molecule are unchanged; but the molecules are interacting differently. But this Surge also overlaps a lot with Division, because not all substances have distinct molecules. It’s like I said with carbon up above; you have atoms bonded to atoms bonded to more atoms. So if you melt a diamond, you’re breaking atom-to-atom bonds. You have to be; otherwise it would remain solid. Cohesion, therefore, is a little fuzzier in what it does from a nitty-gritty analysis point of view. · It will negate electromagnetic chemical bonding (sometimes intermolecular, sometimes molecular, depending on the substance). · It will absorb energy released by breaking those bonds. · It will apply a brand new attractive force between each and every molecule or atom affected. This is weaker than what was overcome, so the substance now behaves as a liquid. · It will apply a brand new set of forces to various molecules to move them around as desired. · When it is time to resolidify, the first three effects will all be simultaneously done in reverse, reverting the substance back to its original state with no release of energy. It can’t just melt the stone, because that would require the molecules to be at a high temperature. There’s no temperature change; so it has to be a fundamental change in the nature of the chemical bonding, with associated energy balancing measures that I laid out in Division. There’s no way for Cohesion users to release energy, though, so they are more constrained in that particular sub-power. Tension The last Surge, and one that is much harder to find in the books. There are no mythological references, and no instances it is used (at least that I am confident in). But this has been a popular concept in WoBs, even with one before WoK came out. July 24, 2010. October 14, 2013. March 13, 2014. March 24, 2017. So Tension makes things rigid. This cloth example is going to make us take another step up in chemistry; large molecules, with hundreds or thousands of atoms, that form huge chains. That’s what you get with organic molecules; and these molecules can move around. Think back to our clay-ball-and-toothpick model. The balls can rotate on the toothpicks; so if you build something big enough and unsupported enough, you can move it around like an action figure. That’s what cloth does; none of its chemical bonds are breaking when it moves, but there are rotations happening within the molecules. Surface tension is a concept in fluids. Take water as an example. In the liquid state, water molecules like to be surrounded by other water molecules; they form those weak intermolecular bonds, which release a small amount of energy and are entropically favorited. So the fluid as a whole will minimize surface area, where water molecules are touching something that’s not water. But that’s not quite what happens here. This is more like armor plating; additional tension on the surface of an object. Imagine a knee brace or a cast for every molecular and intermolecular bond along the surface of an object. Using the outer layer of molecules to form a shell, the inner layers are then forced in place, and you have yourself a solid object. So that’s why I think tension is called surface tension – it acts on the surface of an object, applying an additional force to hold each atom or molecule stable in relation to the rest of the object. Unlike the other two Surges, there is nothing removed here, so there is no need for funky energy conservation loopholes. Now, I said there were no confirmed instances of Tension in the books. I know that this is a Surge Dalinar has, and he does indeed use quite a bit of magic in Oathbringer. But I’m pretty confused on which Surge it is (if it even is a Surge), so I gave that its own section at the end of the thread to discuss in-depth. But do I suspect we’ve seen this Surge applied by a modern fabrial in the half-Shard shields. They’re already solid, but the additional force applied to their surface makes them even stronger against normal attacks, and being Invested helps them out against Shardblades. OB 100. Some people believe that the spren they trapped was a spren the Radiant would bond, like a Stoneward spren. I hold to the idea of Surgespren; spren associated with each of the individual Surges. There are a couple of passages in Way of Kings that lead me down this path. The first is in WoK chapter 49. And the second is in WoK chapter 57. Bindspren for Adhesion, groundspren for Gravitation. And substancespren for tension. Whether they cause it, or are attracted to it, doesn’t much matter for the purpose of this argument; flamespren are used to produce heat, regardless of whether they cause it or not. So I think substancespren are used by this fabrial to apply Tension to the shields, making half-Shards. Stormfather’s Error I’m just presenting this as-is. I think it speaks for itself. From the OB signing tour: Fundamental Forces Now, you may find the chemistry explanations for these abilities a little underwhelming. They’re super fuzzy, tacking together a whole bunch of steps to get something that functions. To get what Brandon is shooting for, it's important to understand the distinction between real-life fundamental forces and Rosharan fundamental forces (what they call the Surges). Go back to the elemental inspiration of Surges and Essences. Essences aren't distinct elements – Tallow, Pulp, and Sinew are all organic compounds, Spark is energy (since fire is just hot air, and air is otherwise covered under Zephyr), and Talus and Lucentia are going to be structural differences, not compositional differences. But when I put it like that, you inherently know that I’m just thinking too hard about it. These things seem different – and to the Rosharan understanding, that is enough to make it significant in the Realmatic sense. It is driven by perception, not by physics. The same thing is going to be true for these final three Surges. They all operate using the electromagnetic force (just like Abrasion does) and the way molecules interact with one another or the way the components of a molecule interact. In real-life physics, there is a force that holds the atom together – the electromagnetic force that pulls protons and electrons together. That's the same force, generated by the same charges from the same subatomic particles, that is responsible for friction and for the lattice structures that many solids are composed out of. But, just like with the Essences, to line that up with strict physics is looking too closely. Rosharans aren't physicists, and their perceptions will not align with that interpretation. Here's the way they look at it: they think there is a force on the surface of an object that makes a thing rigid like a solid (Tension), a force on all an object’s components that pulls them together and makes it flow like liquid (Cohesion), and a force that spreads things apart like a gas (Division). Whichever of those forces is strongest will determine how a substance behaves, and Surgebinders increase one of those 'forces' to override the natural behavior of a substance. The magic of Surgebinding, in turn, provides specific alterations to the electromagnetic force in order to match the common perception of Roshar. This fuzzy chemistry happens with Soulcasting, too, as evidenced when Jasnah Soulcasts at Thaylen Field in OB chapter 120. We can attempt to interpret “axi” as a local word for “atom” or “molecule,” but that doesn’t pass rigor. There’s no such thing as a molecule of air; air is a mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, water vapor, carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of a bunch of other things that I know because my company builds and operates air separation plants. Instead, an axi must a perception-driven way to interact with atoms and molecules, to conceptualize moving individual molecules even though the scale is unimaginably vast (one liter of air contains roughly 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules). Surges are also a perception-based way of performing complex interactions without needing to specifically consider all the steps required to accomplish a particular effect. Unity So, Dalinar has an ability. He Unites things. I see this power occur in three specific places: OB 59. Especially coming after the vision with the Stoneward, I understand why many people think this is Cohesion. That was my initial impression, too, before asking at that signing. But looking at it now, the stone isn’t melting. This is a Spiritual transformation; Dalinar’s not guiding the reliefs, but they are repaired nonetheless. OB 109. Here, he’s holding together the very substance of the Stormfather’s vision as Odium attempts to destroy it. These aren’t real things, but Surges have functioned before in visions, so I guess it’s real enough that Dalinar can use his powers. And lastly, in OB 119. Here’s the kicker, the climax of his abilities. This is not used on something physical; he’s grabbing the Realms. One thing I note about all three of these passages is that Dalinar has to touch things. This is another point against Cohesion being intended; that Surge has been referred to in legends as operating with a “command” or a “look.” Adhesion, on the other hand, always spreads out from physical contact with the Radiant. Most of the time, the hands, although Kaladin has done it with his feet before. One other thing I notice is that the warmth is present while he repairs the temple. This concept first appeared in the ending of Words of Radiance, a mysterious warmth and light that Dalinar felt, something the Stormfather knew nothing about. (Tying in with his mysterious Nohadon vision in Oathbringer, possibly.) Dalinar mentions this warmth several times in OB, and it stirs in him right before he says his third Oath and unites the Realms. And his last scene, when he is working on his book, he feels the warmth again. That makes me think his Unity power doesn’t come from his bond with the Stormfather at all, and has to do with Dalinar Ascending to the remnants of Honor. (I’m suspecting his mysterious Blade that he used to operate the Veden Oathgate was like an Honorblade; not a manifestation of a spren, but the raw essence of Honor’s power. As a refresher, OB chapter 16, the Stormfather confirms that Honorblades can operate Oathgates.) Lastly, his power feels like a direct opposite of a pre-Shattering magic that was revealed in the Dragonsteel chapters on Brandon’s website as SA deleted scenes: The Tzai warriors break the Spiritual, which has cascading effects on the Physical. Dalinar repairs the Spiritual, which has cascading effects on the Physical. This pre-Shattering magic appears end-neutral; the Tzai are doing direct Realmatic manipulations (which is also ascribed to the Sho Del and to the [REDACTED] magic of Jerick). At least to me, this feels very reminiscient of the sorts of things done by Shards or beings who are Ascending: the creation of the mistwraiths in Mistborn, the Returned of Warbreaker, or even the boons/curses of Nightwatcher or Cultivation. The interpretation that I’m growing fond of is that Dalinar was not Surgebinding in these scenes, he was tapping in to the greater power of Honor and using it to Unite things. That all being said, I can’t help but notice the similarities to Adhesion listed above, and Tension’s metaphysical relationship to rebuilding the whole (seeing as it acts on the surface of an object.) And when Dalinar repairs the temple, he does think that it’s because he’s a Bondsmith, which would imply that Dalinar is not the first to have these sorts of powers. The extent he uses them is greater (like summoning the perpendicularity), but that other Bondsmiths may have been able to accomplish his feats in the Thaylen temple without Ascending. I can see an Adhesion/Tension interplay going on; take two things, use Adhesion to stick them together, use Tension to redefine the boundaries as a single object. So, I’m not necessarily convinced either way. Putting the passages down on paper, his first two Unity scenes do seem much more like mundane Surgebinding than I had previously remembered. But the mysterious light, Dalinar’s Ascension, and “WE KILLED YOU” all make me think there’s something greater about Dalinar, something beyond what the Bondsmiths of the past were able to do. We’ll see if I can settle on something by the time Stormlight Four rolls around.
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    Not Leatherbounds, but I had a good haul from the store's summer sale, and this seems as good a place as any to share them. The medallion one, in particular, has been something on my mind since the Bands of Mourning release. I tried to work towards this question at JordanCon, and got what I felt was a time-saving RAFO to keep the line moving. And it looks like my instincts were right, since a slightly reworded version got an answer here! I'll track down a medallion thread and expand on why I asked this question and what I think it means. I'll come back here and link it once I've done so. EDIT:
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    From the album Ghostblood symbol art

    @Ark1002, don't know if you want this, but here's an Alleyverse patch. I think it looks pretty sweet. I am not affiliated with the alleyverse in any way, I just think the ghostblood symbol is really cool.
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    From the album Ghostblood symbol art

    This is the ghostblood symbol projected into pseudo 3-Dimensional space using the axonometric projections I am using for a series of Illustrations I have been spending way too much time on. This is for the amazing Rosharan concept Album "Dark Side of the Moons" by the Ghostblood house band, Pink Iyatl. The best track off this album is "One of my bad Mraize".
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    Good Afternoon Fellow Sharders! So it's been a long while since I posted any kind of theory, all my previous ones were debunked by Oathbringer and I have become a little cynical about trying to out-guess Brandon. That said, I have been thinking about this one for a while. How exactly is Odium bound to the Greater Roshar system? We know he is invested quite heavily there, but why would he do that? After all we have this WoB (all WoBs will be spoilered for length): Well he seems to have spectacularly failed on that count, so what happened? I propose the answer is quite simple: He made some promises he shouldn't have. Part #1 - Shardly Promises So the first part of this is something we have little evidence for, but I am convinced is the case. That is: Shards must keep their promises. Honor himself in WoK gives us the first clue in the below: So all Shards (or the 3 Rosharan ones at the least), are bound by certain rules. One of these is the rule regarding champions that we saw in Oathbringer and has been hinted at elsewhere in the Cosmere. I propose that another one of these rules is that they cannot break their word. In Oathbringer, Odium told us this after being queried by Taravangian: Now I know what you are going to say, "but he could be lying" and yes, he could. But I don't think he is. Smart Taravangian has shown a remarkable understanding of the situation on Roshar and left very specific details on how his slow self could get the deal. If Odiums word wasn't enough I imagine he would have know. The Stormfather also claims that "Spren and Gods cannot break their oaths". Add to that the fact that Odium must abide by the rules of the challenge of champions and we have NEVER seen a shard break a promise, not even Odium or Ruin, and I think we have reasonable cause to believe that they can't. Or the 3 Rosharan Shard can't at the very least. Now I am sure their interpretation of the promise makes a difference in what they can do to get around it, nevertheless, I think they have to abide by the interpretation they make. Part #2 - The Timeline Just to make sure we are all on the same page the following is a list of the relavent beings/species that came to Roshar in chronological order: Parshendi/Listeners/Singers - Pick your name, these guys are native, as far as we know. Honor and Cultivation - Arrive together and, with the spren, become the Singer gods. Humans (at least 1st Wave) - They fled Ashyn, and were given Shinovar as their new home. Odium - Arrived around the same time as the humans, close enough that the Singers believe the humans brought him, but that may not be the case. Now Odium may have arrived just before or with the humans. I think it was likely a little after but it doesn't really change anything either way. So we know from OB that some time after the humans arrive, they began to expand. At some point they also began to worship Honor and Cultivation, such that the Singers felt betrayed. That led to the first desolation which per OB, went something like this: Singers (at least some of them) want power to regain their lands and kill the humans. They make a deal with Odium and become the Fused. They can Surgebind and can't be permanently killed. They begin killing many humans, presumably maing headway in their war. 10 people made a deal with Honor, the Oathpact. They would become the Heralds and seal the Fused on Braize so long as they stayed there. However, we know the Heralds broke and let the Fused past. Once they were defeated again on Roshar, the Heralds went back to Braize and sealed them again, until the next time they broke. And so begins the cycle of Desolation. Part #3 - Conclusion Now the key part of all that is the deal he made with the Fused. The Singers seemed to have knowledge of and contact with Honor and Cultivation so it may not have been an accident, but one way or another Odium promised them he would help them regain their land. He was probably wary of investing but anticipated a short campaign that would get the Singers their land and, once their believers were gone and anything they had invested in destroyed, he could Splinter Honor and Cultivation and move on. The Oathpact prevented this by stopping him fulfilling his promise the Fused. He can't break it so he has to stick around and keep his word. Until the Fused are victorious, he can't Divest from the Rosharan System. Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to see what people think. There are some potential issues with it but I think it fits quite well with what we know as well as explaining how the Honor/Cultivation/the Oathpact, have bound him without him being one of the parties involved (as per WoB) All comments and criticism welcome Thanks, Jace
  24. 8 points
    TOAST THEM IN THE FIRES OF RETRIBUTION!! And then give them some bread. With jam. Strawberry jam. And a nice book. A Cosmere book.
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    Greeting all, I'm Chris AKA Onslaught. I've been hovering around this site and the coppermind for a while now and decided I would take the plunge and sign up.
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    I'm kidding, but we must be Brandon Sanderson's favorite joke. Reasoning: The 17th Shard is searching for Hoid. -We are constantly searching for Hoid in all the books. The 17th Shard is not happy with Hoid. -We are not happy with Hoid. We want to know what he's doing. The 17th Shard's name is 17th Shard. -This website is called 17th Shard. And probably more similarities exist. The resemblances are uncanny. Only issue: if we were the 17th Shard then we would be in the Cosmere and so to not have access to the internet.
  27. 7 points

    From the album Ghostblood symbol art

    This is a tangram illustration using the ghostblood symbol, which is one of the coolest symbols ever.
  28. 7 points
    Just saw a sign while stopped at an intersection that said “No Ramen, No Life” And I thought that must be how Hoid feels.
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    I read Elantris after Mistborn 1 trilogy, so curious, I divided by 16. It's 42.
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    From the album Ghostblood symbol art

    Using that Ghostblood sybmol, just messing around, came up with this abstract composition and gave it some psychedelic colors.
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    There is a story behind the name in case your wondering. It's a good one too. Let's see if I can remember how it was told to me. (apologizes if I step on anyones toes, this is just for some fun ) (ahem) Way back in the mists of time a website was founded by Mi'chelle Walker, also known as @firstRainbowRose called Hoid's Compendium. It was a place where those that had heard of the mysterious Hoid could gather and share what they had learned of the stranger. Then one day the skies parted and this site was blessed with the presence of Brandon himself. He gazed upon what lay before him and was greatly pleased. He blessed the founder(s) and gave (suggested) a new name, the 17th Shard. And as it was written, so it became. Or if you want the official (boring) version, look below: (taken from the About page)
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    Plot twist: Eric discovered the name of a Shard in Dragonsteel Prime, then chose his username just so he could say the 'Shard of Chaos' is named after him when Brandon cannonizes it in 2096. And then he set up a discord server for the added irony.
  33. 7 points
    I love the title of this thread: “SKA – is it Resolved?” Short answer? Yes! All you Shadolin shippers can be happy. You got your ending. Sadly, Shalladin shippers, what you got was less than…adequate. Long answer? Yes, for now. And I’ll explain why. Be forewarned, I have been gone a long time, and a lot of contextual updates have occurred, so this post will have some length to it. Long quotes are in spoiler tags, and the post is split into two segments. (It’s an Alderant post, did you really expect anything different?) To begin with, I would like to reassert that, from the day I finished OB, I claimed that I was glad Kaladin and Shallan were not in a relationship at the end of OB. Kaladin was in no mental place for a relationship—he took too many knocks, fell too hard, for a romantic relationship with Shallan to be at all viable. Kaladin will not be part of this discussion. He may be mentioned in direct association of an aspect, but this discussion is purely about the viability of Adolin and Shallan as a married couple. Further, there are a couple of points I want to clarify before I get into the meat of my post: I like that you said that Shallan’s personas and her struggle to control them will present problems. I agree with that completely, and your comment here about them being part of her is spot on. It is a matter of great speculation in other circles whether or not “Shallan”’s eyes will wander. I for one, have said from fairly early on that I would like to see Brandon showcase her working through her marriage problems, rather than writing those problems away or making them a non-issue. I agree that this provides a route for a more compelling narrative than simply “Will they, won’t they” or romantic dithering between Adolin and Kaladin. First, I would like to point out that your second paragraph makes very little sense. However, if I understand you correctly, your point is that Shallan was a pivoting point in Adolin’s story and the sole reason he changed from serial dating to monogamy, and therefore all potential blame for infidelity must come from Shallan. Not only is this a logical fallacy, but it’s not even true—Adolin stopped seeing other women because Shallan was a pre-arranged deal that required very little effort, and in large part because Danlan spread some pretty harsh tales about him to the camp’s young women—as is indicated by these quotes from Words of Radiance: This is further evidenced by the fact that his statements regarding Danlan strongly implicate that she sabotaged his chances at any of the camp’s other women (many of whom he’d already offended). Second, I’m not sure where you are drawing this claim from. We have evidence of at least two explicitly dysfunctional marriages by OB: Dalinar & Evi, and Navani & Gavilar. To recap, one of Navani’s assertions to Dalinar in Way of Kings is that Gavilar wasn’t the man everyone thought him to be, and implies that, though she may have loved him, their marriage was not one of fully functional bliss: Further, we learn through OB’s flashbacks that Dalinar & Evi were quite unhappy and constantly fighting and arguing with each other, frequently ending with Dalinar drinking or leaving to go fight, and Evi in tears. Evi was a wonderful woman, much better than Dalinar deserved, but their marriage was not functional. Calderis, I’m not even sure where to begin with your comment here. This is…utterly inaccurate. That might be a small influence, but let us keep in mind that the scene in question is from Shallan’s perspective, not Adolin’s, so any explanation as to why (including my own) is based on inference and guesswork—hardly grounds for a definitive argument, especially given her unreliability as a narrator. Here is the text in question, and even from Shallan, it’s rather vague on motivation: In that one segment, Adolin deflects four times the responsibility of being king. Yes, Dalinar is a steamroller, but the point is that Shallan wasn’t the reason he admitted it. She might like to think so, and from her point of view we see he responded following her input, but the main reason he admitted it was to avoid responsibility. When saying he killed Sadeas didn’t work, he tried to appeal to Dalinar’s love of the codes. When that didn’t work, then he admitted the truth. He’s even shocked that the appeal to the Codes didn’t work. Further, this is hardly the first time he’s stood up to Dalinar. First the visions in Way of Kings, where he asserts Dalinar seek help—until Dalinar decides to abdicate, after which Adolin begins panicking at the responsibility and the is relieved that Dalinar’s visions are true. Secondly, he complains to his father about being ordered to do all the work leading the army when Dalinar is debating abdicating. Third, there’s this quote in Way of Kings that I absolutely love: “Adolin forced himself to smile, however. He tried to be relaxed and confident for Renarin. Generally that wasn’t difficult. He’d happily spend his entire life dueling, lounging, and courting the occasional pretty girl. Of late, however, life didn’t seem content to let him enjoy its simple pleasures. As I have said before, the phrases used to describe a character in their opening chapters are of tantamount importance to the understanding of that character. Again, this isn’t entirely accurate, in either sentence. There are a plethora of reasons characters in fiction stand up to their parents. Most characters have loving parents that they have to leave, and standing up is an emblematic representation of them becoming their own person and going out into the world on their own. And Adolin outright calls his father crazy in Way of Kings, calling his father’s dreams and visions “delusions.” In Words, he flaunts his father’s will concerning Sadeas multiple times, until the point where he murders the highprince in a fit of rage. I’m sorry, but this sentence is 100% false. From Words (warning, slightly graphic): This implies quite a bit of savagery. One would assume he would be ashamed of it, as you stated, however we have this line from Oathbringer that informs us otherwise: Now, onto the Shallan and Adolin analysis. First off, let me start by saying that traditionally, I have always approached this from the standpoint of why I don’t like this marriage for Shallan. However, with Adolin’s now elevated status to “Main Character,” I feel it’s warranted to spend a little bit of time looking at things from his perspective. I hope my responses above have been adequate in providing a base layer that indicates Adolin entered into this marriage, at least initially, because it was easier than finding the “one” on his own, and he’d made such a poor job of it. Further, there is the strong possibility of social sabotage by Danlan. The next question we would want to address is whether or not we see Adolin’s affection actually grow for her over the course of their courtship. This is a matter of some debate, however it is my belief that while, yes, his affection does grow for her over the course of their courtship, that affection does not travel in a romantic and love vector, but rather in the “fast friends” direction. Following his appreciation of her looks, there is one—one—mention in Words of Radiance that he truly cares for her well-being on the level we’d expect of someone deeply in love with another: Of course, this is right after her infamous return from the chasm, where Adolin saved Dalinar (arguably a smart choice) instead of Shallan. Fortunately, things turned out well here. From this scene, we progress throughout the expedition. In all of Adolin’s subsequent POVs (including Oathbringer), we rarely see him give much thought to Shallan. We see plenty of thinking of Adolin from her perspective, and indeed, the vast majority (if not all) of his “affectionate” scenes occur in her POV. What’s odd about this is that, aside from some jealousy on the boat in Shadesmar, we don’t actually see him think about Shallan all that often. He thinks about Renarin, Kaladin, his father, bridge 4, but conspicuously lacking on the Shallan front, when she should probably be at the forefront of his thoughts. This is further amplified during the scene where he tells Shallan (in one of the most disturbing, objectifying scenes in all of Stormlight) that he would let Kaladin have her. Not fight for her, not have his chance to win her, but “have” her, as though she were a possession. Indeed, aside from a few observations about her clothing, he doesn’t even show all that much interest in her—repeatedly ignoring cues that she is extremely upset or disturbed (creation of Radiant, dropping the Helaran bomb), and glossing over what are huge internal bits of anguish (who she is/who she should be, again—Helaran). This doesn’t sell me on the idea that Adolin is madly and irrevocably devoted to her. Next, let us look at the nature of their relationship. Their relationship, like many other Branderson relationships, starts off as an arranged marriage. Neither really gets a whole lot of say in the matter, though presumably they could have refused. They get to know one another, Shallan makes a lot of witticisms that go over Adolin’s head, and he in turn is gorgeous, dashing and “intoxicatingly handsome” with a “rugged ‘I punched a lot of people today’ quality that was fetching in its own right.” From here, we go two directions. For Shallan, the relationship becomes one of desperation and lust. Most of their physical contact and affection is initiated by Shallan. She pulls, forces, and presses kisses on him. Again, from Words: From Oathbringer: Now, before anyone jumps down my throat here, let me be clear: I believe Shallan, at least some part of her, loves Adolin. I believe that at least one part of her is as madly in love with him as she describes. As the quote from Brandon says, Shallan has made her choice. I am not disputing that. What I want to point out is the parallelism between these two scenes. The first, from Words, is just after Adolin tries to back out, or at the very least express doubt of, their relationship and its workability. The second, after Adolin tries to hand her off to Kaladin. The use of language is, I believe, intentional—in both instances, arguably the most defining moments of their respective books, Shallan initiates an over-the-top, passionate kiss to convince Adolin to stay with her. There are many reasons she does this—I will not go into them in this already lengthy post, as that would require an even lengthier explanation. Let’s look at Adolin, now. For Adolin, he appears, in the beginning of the book, to still have doubts. He worries about not being good enough, worries that she’s too good, etc. Most of these are expressed through Shallan’s POVs, because as I mentioned earlier, their relationship is surprisingly largely absent from his POVs. As the book progresses, he becomes more and more aware of her “feelings” for Kaladin, ending with the above scene. Again, neither of these two avenues screams a “madly in love” couple. One is desperate and (pardon my French) horny, and the other has hardly any screen time devoted to the relationship. So let’s talk about their interactions with each other. Surely, even if their love started flawed, they can mature and grow as a couple and develop true love. When push comes to shove, however, Shallan and Adolin are a master/yes-man pair. Adolin does not stand up to Shallan. What Shallan wants, Shallan gets, whether that be a trip onto the Shattered Plains, a kiss from Adolin, or a marriage—ultimately, if Adolin didn’t want any of those things, we’ll never really know, because Shallan effectively steam-rolls him into every one. We’ve already clarified that most physical affection shared between the two is initiated by Shallan. Intellectually, Shallan typically views Adolin as beneath her, and he never really stands up for himself in that right, either. The one area Adolin appears to have some modicum of control, is in that Shallan is severely dependent on him, inevitably using his view of her to form the entire basis of her existence. This is not healthy behavior. So how would this pan out, in the long run? I’ve seen a few people comment that they think that so long as Shallan and Adolin talk things out, everything will be fine. That could not be further from the truth. Marriages have to be built on trust, and dependent relationships, as well as dominating relationships, rarely work well, and this has both. Further, Shallan, despite being dependent on Adolin, despite feeling warm around him and feeling a burning lust for him, doesn’t trust him. She tries to, I think. She tries to open up about her past at one point in the book. But she doesn’t. And at every opportunity she has to tell him, she doesn’t. Conversely, she hides a lot of things from him, even deflecting feelings for another man onto a persona, treating it as a different person—which is a lie. Additionally, we know that there will be a one year time gap between books 3 and 4. At the end of Oathbringer, Shallan is not well. She has a massive amount of rebuilding to do, and I’m afraid she hasn’t even hit the bottom yet—she’s just built up a temporary scaffolding to survive on (Adolin’s image of her). When all of those revelations get brought up, Adolin’s going to have a lot to deal with, from parenticide, to feelings for another man, to the idea that those people Shallan says aren’t her? They actually are. That’s a lot to have to deal with. To compound the complications, Adolin is now highprince. Shallan is a radiant. They will be spending a lot of time apart because of their respective duties—and this is why I brought up the time skip: the first year of marriage is absolutely, quintessentially vital to a marriage’s success. It’s during the first year of living together that you learn most of the other person’s idiosyncrasies, the quirks of their personality, the irreconcilable differences that distinguish you as separate people. And if Adolin and Shallan are frequently going two different directions, only sparing time to play bunnies, then it’s going to be a very, very difficult road for them. Finally, with respect to Adolin, there is the matter with Dalinar. Adolin doesn’t do well with facing things he doesn’t like—he couldn’t ever let Sadeas go, even though most were able to. He dwelt on Kaladin for much of Oathbringer, to the point of jealousy. Dalinar’s revelation concerning Rathalas has yet to really hit, and Adolin will have to deal with that. Which will also impact their relationship. And that, my friends, is my rather lengthy addition to this thread. Good night.
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    @Gancho Libre Lol! nice name btw. @Kal-Eldin This killed me: Here’s the cosmere in general:
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    I posted this in another place but I think it would fit better in here. SPOILERS FOR WAY OF KINGS AND WORDS OF RADIANCE! Enjoy!
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    Alethi budding surgebinger about to die to Nale, circa 1173, colorized.
  38. 6 points
    This is probably wrong, but I'm writing it down anyway just to have a record of it. Autonomy seems to be the most likely candidate to be Trell, and there is a decent chunk of evidence. So why is a Shard that is about "Freedom" ready to destroy all life on Scadrial because it can't be controlled? I believe that all of the intents are based off of some piece of the personality that was Adonalsium before its death. For Autonomy I think that this piece is a nearly direct oppositional force to Endowment. Endowment was Adonalsium's desire to give power to its sapient creations the wish to help them and see them grow in strength and ability, and provide them the tools necessary to do so. Autonomy then, isn't freedom in my mind generally. It was the desire every parent has to see their children grow and be capable of standing on their own. The feeling that aiding them to much will hamper them in the long run. I believe that Autonomy was Adonalsium's sense of restraint with respect to its children, it's sapient creations. As Odium is Adonalsium's sense of rage and hatred without context, this drive has also been altered due to lack of context. It views the intercession of any part of Adonalsium, which is all the Shards, into the lives of sapient creatures as anathema to their progression, and so it wishes to intercede on their behalf to end the meddling of the Shards. This is why she may have been willing to work with Odium in my opinion, because allowing him to Splinter shards does her work, and hopefully injures him in the process. I also think this is the reason for the existence of her Avatars. Bavadin swore a pact with the other Shards not to interfere with each other's plans. A pact in direct conflict with the version of her intent that I propose. Thus the Avatars exist precisely to circumvent that which she swore. She can do nothing directly to interfere because she is bound by her oath... But the Avatars, whether they are others ascended that she shares the power with, portions of her investiture seeded to become sapient themselves, or whatever else, are distinct Cognitive entities not bound by what she swore herself. Autonomy is not freedom. Any action performed grants Autonomy to some and impinges on the Autonomy of others... But Autonomy from the Shards themselves
  39. 6 points
    The doors of the Grand Peacock opened, sending music and laughter spilling out into the night. It had been a great day in Babylon Restored. A new governor had been appointed in the city and some sense of Democracy was finally taking place in the Fractured states with the passing of Calamity. “A toast!” Governor Green held his glass in the air to make another speech. (After all, that is what politicians do best.) “I'd like to thank everyone who had a part in my campaign. Soon, not only our city, but the rest of the world will be restored to a stable place for our children to grow up in. No longer will we live in fear of…” Screams rang through the banquet hall as Governor Green slumped against the table, a gleaming dagger protruding from his back. A note attached to the hilt read “We are the rightful rulers. All who challenge us will meet the same fate.” __________________________ Welcome to QF34: Reckoners CLUE You will all be suspects of the Governor's murder. The lynch is for voting who will be interrogated next by the police. The game takes place in the hotel where the murder happened. Essentially the game is CLUE set in the Reckoner’s world, so it would be fitting if you chose a name accordingly, but don’t have to. (i.e. Miss Maroon, Baron Buttermilk, Lady Lilac) Have fun! Sign ups are now open until the timer ends. Player List:
  40. 6 points
    Cultivation describes her transformative magic to Dalinar: “ALL THINGS MUST BE CULTIVATED… I CONTROL ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE GROWN, NURTURED.” (OB, Chapter 114, Kindle p. 1079.) I read this to mean Cultivation controls all living things. FWIW, Brandon says Cultivation would be a mono-green M:tG deck. I think Cultivation doesn’t play favorites among lifeforms – she controls and cultivates “ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE GROWN.” That includes Singers, Aimians, and humans, other fauna plus flora, and each Shard’s spren. CULTIVATION’S PROBLEM IMO, Cultivation as a Shard cannot abide stagnation. Binding Odium led to Desolations that destroyed human civilization more than fifteen times and near-obliterated Singers and their culture. Catastrophe tends to focus mortal minds on survival, limiting the scope of ideas available to the spren “gene pool.” Blockading voidspren in Braize further reduces the spren “gene pool” and bars ideas from cross-fertilizing. The Recreance left spren “only now beginning to recover the culture and society they had lost…” (OB, Chapter 47, Kindle p. 479.) Roshar’s history hurt the growth of all mortal species and the spren that personify their ideas. Roshar’s Shards, IMO, should work well together – as “primal forces,” I believe Honor makes Connections, Odium breaks Connections, and Cultivation changes Connections. These three mechanics seem necessary for a smooth functioning planetary life cycle. Rayse’s ambition and “loathsomeness” means the Shards don’t work well together. I think Tanavast before his death succumbed to the Honor Shard, which also caused dysfunction. The Stormfather tells Dalinar, “HONOR LET THE POWER BLIND HIM TO THE TRUTH—THAT WHILE SPREN AND GODS CANNOT BREAK THEIR OATHS, MEN CAN AND WILL.” (OB, Chapter 38, Kindle p. 406, bold added.) Odium and the Stormfather agree Honor changed and relied on naked oaths at the end, not their meaning: Other passages acknowledge or hint at Honor’s rigidity. Contrary to Cultivation’s neutral view of lifeforms, the Stormfather intones oaths “are the mark of men and true spren over beasts and subspren.” (OB, Chapter 4, Kindle p. 60.) Dalinar elsewhere notes, “The Stormfather…didn’t like the idea of change.” (OB, Chapter 28, Kindle p. 292.) IMO, Tanavast imparted these attitudes to the Stormfather. CULTIVATION’S PLAN I believe Cultivation wants to end Desolations and “unite” Rosharan species to stimulate growth. I think her plan involves replacement of Tanavast, Rayse, and herself as Vessels. Tanavast is too rigid for growth, Rayse too dangerous, and she (like another cosmere heroine) will not want to live without her lover. Cultivation’s “Unite them” plan pushes species interactions and mutual understanding. Moash and Venli switch sides. Venli bonds with both Timbre and her voidspren. Kaladin sympathizes with the Singers. I think he’ll bond Yixli, the yellow voidspren who first found him. IMO, Yixli is a “protection” spren like Syl, and Syl will welcome her companionship. Syl’s growing friendship with Pattern shows her expanding tolerance, rare for an honorspren. (OB, Chapter 97, Kindle p. 908.) Her tolerance matches Kaladin’s. I believe Cultivation restores Sja-anat’s free will to create Glys and resist Odium. Sja-anat serves Cultivation’s transformative function when she “enlightens” spren. CULTIVATION’S IMPLEMENTATION OF PLAN Creation of Radiant Spren As the Shard of Transformation, I believe Cultivation created Radiant spren. Cultivation may have foreseen Aharietiam and needed a magical alternative to the Heralds that didn’t rely exclusively on Honor’s Investiture. Jasnah notes, “The difference between a higher spren like [Ivory] and a common emotion spren was in their ability to decide how to act.” (OB, Chapter 47, Kindle p. 479.) Free will seems important to Cultivation. Aharietiam With the Desolations’ pace quickening, civilization ground down. I’m sure far-seeing Cultivation knew Taln would endure torture millennia longer than other Heralds. Maybe Cultivation sought a healing respite and planted the seed of betrayal in the Heralds’ minds. Taln tells Ash, Recreance I still think there are more answers to the Recreance’s mystery. The Stormfather tells us, It’s plausible these fears caused the Recreance; but IMO Cultivation played a role. I can see a Shard who wants to transform Roshar preferring a new batch of spren and Radiants. Before he learns of the Eile Stele, Dalinar tells Yanagawn the Radiants “lost their vision [and] forgot their purpose: protecting Roshar for its people.” (OB, Chapter 56, Kindle p. 546.) The Stormfather says Honor “guarded against this [and] convinced the Radiants they were righteous…” (OB, Chapter 113, Kindle p. 1052.) As he lay dying, though, Honor “raved” and “promised that Surgebinders” would destroy Roshar. Maybe Cultivation wanted to kill the immortal witnesses to Honor’s raving. She silenced institutional memory until the Last Desolation, just as she pruned Dalinar’s memories. After the Battle of Thaylenah, Dalinar can remind the Radiants of their vision and purpose: “protecting Roshar for its people.” Dalinar does not distinguish among Roshar’s people. He knows the enemy is Odium, not the Singers. Dalinar will craft a war plan that focuses on the Fused. He will seek ways to separate Singers from their new masters. Venli and Rlain will help him. He will “unite them” – all Roshar’s people – to expunge Rayse’s ravages from Roshar. Odium Kills Tanavast I think Cultivation helped Odium kill Tanavast or at least stood aside to let it happen. First, there’s Odium’s “WE KILLED YOU” moment. (OB, Chapter 119, Kindle p. 1139.) Second, the Stormfather says Odium avoids direct fighting since it “might coax out forces that could hurt him, as he has been hurt before.” (OB, Chapter 16, p. 167.) Brandon says Odium expends great energy splintering another Shard. Odium must have known Cultivation would not intervene before the murder. Maybe Cultivation warned Tanavast of his inevitable death. This may be why Honor delegated honorspren creation to the Stormfather. Kaladin says Honor “was setting up an heir.” (OB, Chapter 108, Kindle p. 1015.) Stormfather Becomes Tanavast’s Cognitive Shadow “ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE GROWN, NURTURED” includes the Stormfather, even if he is Honor’s godspren. Merging Tanavast into the Stormfather to await a new Vessel is what the Shard of Transformation might do. The Stormfather notes the change: I believe Cultivation wanted to preserve Tanavast’s mind and memories. She might be the author of Dalinar’s Stormfather-sent visions. Those don’t sound like the ravings of a dying god who fears Roshar’s destruction. Illumination seems Cultivation’s specialty. Cultivation as much as Honor wishes to “unite them.” The merger infused more of Honor’s Investiture into the Stormfather: “We are something different. [Honor’s] remnants, your soul, my will.” (OB, Chapter 119, Kindle p. 1141.) Dalinar’s will and the Stormfather’s soul, fortified with Honor’s “remnants,” opened the Spiritual Realm to Dalinar’s command. Cultivation has found a new Honor Vessel. Dalinar I think Cultivation’s touched Dalinar since his early days. The physician who attends him during the Battle of Narak seems shocked Dalinar can still move his scarred arm. (WoR, Chapter 83, Kindle p. 1003.) IMO, Cultivation’s Investiture healed Dalinar during his battle years. Dalinar’s Healing – Cultivation-light or Voidlight? @LerasiumMistborn lists “all the scenes where Dalinar feels this strange ‘warm light’ which comes from [an] unknown source.” I believe this is Cultivation-light. The first scene occurs at the end of WoR, Dalinar’s vision of his youthful home, “before…” (WoR, Chapter 89, p. 1065.) In a 2014 post, I note this scene foreshadows Dalinar’s Bondsmith role, as he transforms from violence to piety. The post mis-ascribes the source of the light as Honor, but it states Dalinar as Bondsmith will directly access the Spiritual Realm. I now believe Cultivation pushed Dalinar’s transformation by implanting memories (real or not) of his pre-Blackthorn days. I also now believe many of the “unite them” exhortations speak in Cultivation’s voice. Cultivation “prunes” Dalinar. She does not change him. She creates the conditions where he can change himself. Dalinar discovers, “When I fall, I will rise again a better man,” and “The most important step a man can take is the next step.” The Nightwatcher could not grant Dalinar forgiveness; Dalinar had to forgive himself. IMO, Cultivation gave him Evi’s last words when Dalinar was ready to hear them. Taravangian We don’t know if Cultivation or the Nightwatcher gave Taravangian his boon and curse, but I think Cultivation chose it. IMO, Cultivation foresaw Taravangian would serve Odium. Knowing Rayse, Cultivation anticipated he would meet Taravangian only on Taravangian’s “stupid” days. Odium doesn’t understand compassion – one of the strongest people Connections. At some future time, on a day of deepest compassion, I believe Taravangian will hurt Odium in some unforeseen way. I agree with consensus Cultivation helped Taravangian create the Diagram. Cultivation’s influence may be why Odium could not foresee Renarin, just as he cannot see Lift. The Diagram persuaded Odium that he could use Taravangian, a decision Odium IMO will regret. Confidence in the Diagram also causes its adherents to act predictably. That helps Cultivation grow Roshar to her desired future. Lift We don’t know the source of Lift’s boon and curse either, but again I think Cultivation chose it. Brandon says Lift hints at Cultivation’s non-boon/curse magic. I suspect soul transformation is at its core. Posters cite the value of food to produce Stormlight if the Everstorm were to blot out the highstorm and cause a Stormlight shortage. SUCCESSOR VESSELS Evidence supports many candidates who might become new Vessels. IMO, a Bondsmith is best positioned to ascend to their bonded godspren’s Shard. Cultivation If the current Vessel stands aside, I lean slightly toward Navani over Dalinar to become the Nightwatcher’s Bondsmith. In favor of Dalinar, Cultivation has already visited and transformed him. He sees Cultivation-light (IMO) when Navani does not. (OB, Chapter 122, Kindle p. 1228.) But Navani understands spren and their transformative power more deeply than Dalinar. Her problem: as a leading artifabrian, Navani heads the spren slave trade. IMO, she must learn the old fabrial method and repent her actions before the Nightwatcher would accept her as Bondsmith. I expect we’ll see this happen: Brandon wouldn’t have Dalinar wait years for Navani only to spend eternity alone if he ascends and she doesn’t. Some posters suggest Taravangian for the Nightwatcher’s Bondsmith. Aside from Cultivation’s help with the Diagram, I see little basis for this. If Cultivation did change Taravangian to oppose Odium, I suggest Odium wouldn’t leave much of him afterwards. Honor I do think Dalinar will ascend as Unity, if he hasn’t already. Will Unity be a new name for Honor, or will Unity include Odium? I can see Dalinar as Vessel for both Honor and Odium. A mind that deeply understands both could wield both. Brandon says, “Dalinar represents both the best and worst of both Honor and Odium” to Cultivation; and “young Dalinar is very Odium. Modern Dalinar is very Honor.” But Brandon might not want to repeat a plot device he uses elsewhere. Odium My favored candidate for Odium Vessel is Ba-Ado-MIshram. Hessi calls her “a highprincess among the enemy forces.” (OB, Chapter 106, p. 984.) Imitating Dalinar, BAM distributed Voidlight during the False Desolation as if she were an Odium Bondsmith. (OB, Chapter 80, p. 780.) A Singer Vessel makes sense if Cultivation wants to “unite them.” The problem with Odium is Rayse, not the Shard’s “primal force.” Like all Shards, there’s nothing inherently evil about Odium. Taln is another possibility. The Ancient of Stone is the Stoneward Order’s patron. I believe the Sibling is the Spren of Stone, and Taln may become the Sibling’s Bondsmith. Ulim and Yixli share human features. This suggests at least some Voidspren came with the Shin refugees from Ashyn. The Shin later revere the Great Spren of the Mountains, Szeth’s Aboshi. Is there some connection between Voidspren and the Spren of Stone? Yixli the protection voidspren moves on stone (OB, Chapter 23, Kindle p. 238), though maybe that’s just her spren group. If the Sibling is related to Voidspren, Taln might be a candidate for the Odium Vessel. CONCLUSION Lots of speculation on a small collection of facts. Even if wrong, I think the main idea is sound – Roshar’s divisions stall its growth, anathema to Cultivation. Her plan, whatever it is, must try to heal that. Final Thought: Dalinar tells Gawx/Yanagawn, “And maybe you are the leader Roshar needs, while I am just an emissary.” (OB, Chapter 56, Kindle p. 545.) Does that foreshadow Roshar’s leader after Dalinar ascends?
  41. 6 points
    Steris was buried under a pile of paperwork, but she's finally emerged to bring "The Lopen" "The Roast":
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  43. 6 points
    "Three of sixteen ruled, but now the Broken One reigns." "We took them in, as commanded by the gods. What else could we do? They were a people forlorn, without a home. Our pity destroyed us. For their betrayal extended even to our gods: to spren, stone, and wind." The Nightwatcher, the Sibling, the Stormfather. Spren, stone, storm. And: Unite them. A voice whispered the words in Dalinar's mind, echoing with the same resonant sound from months ago, when Dalinar had first started seeing the visions. "I'm doing so," Dalinar whispered back. Unite them. "Stormfather, is that you? Why do you keep saying this to me?" I said nothing. "I am Unity." He dipped his pen again. "Would you close the balcony doors again, gemheart?" he asked her. "The sunlight is distracting me from the other light." "Other light?" (...) As Navani shut the balcony doors, he closed his eyes and felt the warmth of a distant, unseen light. (there's another mention of the distant, unseen light, but I only have a physical copy and I can't find it) There is always another secret. They may not be the arc words of the Stormlight Archive, but they certainly are arc words of the Cosmere. Brandon also likes working with arc numbers; 16 on Scadrial, and 10 on Roshar. Ten, however, does not seem to be the only arc number of Stormlight Archive. There is also Odium's 9, but 3 is also a recurring number; spren, stone, storm. Nightwatcher, Sibling, Stormfather. Cultivation, Odium (?), Honor. Mishim, Nomon, Salas. Ashyn, Braize, Roshar. So, what's my point? Well, Odium doesn't fit. Why would a spren of Odium be a Bondsmith spren? Why would Odium be related to stone, while coming thousands of years after the others? Most importantly, consider the two epigraphs. The Eila Stele, which talks about the first Desolation, before the singers turned to Odium, talks about three gods: spren, stone and wind. The Death Rattle tells us "Three of sixteen ruled; Now the Broken One reigns." Unless this Death Rattle is foreshadowing a multishard (which would be scary, with a name like that), it's referring to Odium as the Broken One, which implies he is not one of the three who ruled. The Eila Stele implies similar: there were three gods before Odium showed up. So, uhm, where did that last shard go? Odium's prison. In Mistborn, Preservation almost completely blocks Ruin from influencing the world. However, that means that he himself can barely influence the world as well. Now compare that with Cultivation and Honor: Cultivation has been shown to appear, subtly influencing plans, but still to a degree Preservation was not able to do after creating the prophecies. Additionally, it is commonly believed she is also behind the Diagram, and may even be behind Taravangian's "prophet" day, altering and correcting the Diagram. Honor, as well, is known to have interacted substantially with the Knights Radiant, plus we have this quote, implying Honor as well had freedom: "Ships?" he [Dalinar] whispered. "They sailed during the storm? He controls it, the Stormfather said, (...). He uses it, as Honor once used me. The situation is, of course, different, as we know this battle as two shards against one. However, we also know by WoB that the actual power of a shard is infinite, and two times infinite versus infinite is still, in a way, equal. That's why another shard has to be Odium's prison. Now that we're done with the sensible theorizing, let's get to the crazy theorizing. Yes, I called that earlier stuff sensible. I am going to propose that this last shard is the shard of Unity, as predicted through The Fundamental Surges Part II: The Shards and a follow-up post I made on it. This shard, due to it's nature, is like the soul or mind of Adonalsium, stripped of it's power. The... centerpiece of Adonalsium, you might say. I also believe that Odium has partially freed himself somehow - perhaps similar to how Ruin was still subtly influencing the world, but over a longer timescale. On one hand, this is what allows Odium to appear to Dalinar and "ride the storm", on the other hand this is why Dalinar gets the vision with Nohadon, putting him back on track, as well as why he feels the "distant, unseen light"; with Odium partially free, Unity is not completely locked anymore either. Alternatively (and we've gone beyond crazy theorizing now), Odium may have killed Unity's Vessel without splintering the shard, and this is what his "we killed you" is about.
  44. 6 points
    Yo! been a fan for a while, finally got onto the group. I love the idea that TLR defeated the rebellion and got the power of ruin again and did some wild crazy shenaniganry.
  45. 6 points

    From the album Parshendi

    Some more Stormlight Archive art, but this time of Venli! It’s been awhile since I’ve drawn her so I needed to fix that!
  46. 6 points
    I just need to vent my frustration, so sorry if this is whiny or anything. I'm also really tired so... Last night: Wednsdays are my crazy days. Piano, karate, and mutual (Church of Jesus Christ lf Latter day Saints [mormon]) thing. I also had a band concert, and so homework had to go into the late hours of the night. this morning: I woke up an HOUR before my alarm, and couldn't fall asleep again, so super tired yay... first period: normal, except we have a quiz tomorrow (math) Second: We have an ESSAY due tomorrow as well as some reading. (Both on the Giver. English) Third: we had a test today that no one knew was coming, and thus 99% failed/didn't try. We have a test tomorrow and monday and tuesday and basically until the end of the term... and they are all hard (band) fourth: normal day. Seminary. fifth: we have a group project, and i have one of those groups. The one that leaves you to do everything. And the project is due tomorrow. sixth: hasn't happened yet, but i anticipate nothing. Spanish. seventh: AP Envriommental science. I have SO much homework to do in that class that's due the 22nd so less chaotic but still stressful. after school: it's my mom's birthday, and we always make a big deal and go to a nicer resturaunt, and my parents and their friends/family talk for HOURS after we are finished. So that puts more strain on the homework load. basically, I'm super stressed and don't want to stay up late tonight or do trombone for a hour or more to perfect the test songs, but I may have to... and I don't want to ruin my mom's birthday either as she makes a huge deal out of me and my siblings so I want to make a big deal out of hers. And I'm kinda struggling to cope with a psychological... abnormality that I have. Edit: again, sorry, I just need a vent for all this...
  47. 6 points
    Please do be informed that Steris has thrown her hat into the proverbial ring. Here is her roast, spoilered because that is in fact the proper way to do it:
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  49. 5 points
    Humor is one of those things that is super subjective. On my first read of his books, I actually found Wayne/Lift annoying (because I was reading for plot), but upon re-reading, I really, really enjoyed those scenes. Brandon has actually talked about the various (distinct) inspirations/styles for the humor of his various characters: Jane Austen for Shallan; Oscar Wilde for Wit; uplifting, self-effacing for Lopen; innocence/sarcasm for Syl.
  50. 5 points
    Here is a likely incorrect theory based on a random connection I made while reading some WoBs. Harmony is composed of Preservation and Ruin, but it has more Ruin because Preservation was used to give humans on Scadrial sentience. Brandon has teased that Sazed is doing something with that extra Ruin. It's likely something on the planet that will be covered in The Lost Metal since that alludes to Atium the solid form manifestation of Ruin's Investiture which no longer exists due to Ati dying and Sazed picking up two Shards. BUT, it occurs to me that Brandon said Nightblood contains Ruin's investiture and that it's not just residual trace amounts that are all over the Cosmere. Did Endowment work with Sazed to put Ruin's investiture in Nightblood to give it that extra oomph? I think Endowment helped because Nightblood is her world (we're just living in it) and giving things a little extra is Endowment's whole deal. It seems like something she would do. http://www.17thshard.com/news/shardcast/shardcast-endowment-r425/?do=findComment&comment=4673 The timeline may work out OK for this as Warbreaker takes place after MB Era 1 but before Alloy of Law. Now Nightblood was made centuries before Warbreaker takes place, so Sazed may o r may not have ascended by that time, but it could work.
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