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Done! Quality on here's not great, but they turned out a lot better than I expected.

When your sister is talking about how she got a raise at her job and you jump a little and think, "RAYSE??? Oh storms we have to get OFF this planet."

Signing up as D. Senfalo, a very nice man who hates to kill (or die, for that matter) (Rejoice, for I have returned! It seems that I have been only mostly on hiatus for the past few months, and have been revived by miracle steel's miracle game, and the fact that I am free of the pits of college!) Since the invention of the Long Game, there have been many games that have been rated the most bloody, the most exhilarating, and of course, the most hilarious. Here's to one that could conceivably leave them all behind!

Hello! Years ago I introduced my best friend to these books. Now she’s paying back the favor by introducing me to the 17th Shard. Thanks, my witty, witless friend. I’m a devoted wordnerd who has a hankering for reading and writing fantasy. More often than actually getting to do either of these activities, I just enjoy weaving/admiring plots and well made cultures, philosophizing, and rolling intriguing words around my head all day until I finally look up the definition. Does anyone else get this?

Brilliant! I'm going to do some with the symbols of the planets, the Cosmere, and some aons. I've already done the orders of the Knights Radiant. I did post it on here several pages ago. Note: I TRACED ALL OF THESE! I DID NOT FREEHAND! Or safehand. Fortunately.

When you spent the last 5 hours going through this thread

Second Era Spoilers:

I'm not calling the oppressed oppressors... I just don't think that falling into a similar mindset if the oppressors lends itself well in the event that the system does change hands. I completely agree, and it's exactly the reason I say the things that I do. If all the entire civil rights movement had been broke into "us vs them" and all white people were were demonized, many people involved in that movement would have been ostracized and the group would have made less progress. I'm not saying everyone needs to be a super hero. Just that they need to avoid falling into the very same modes of thought that dehumanize people that started this whole problem I the first place. I will repeat myself here. Anger and hatred are not the same thing. Being angry at the system, and angry at perpetrators acceptable. Hate at anyone who benefits from the system is not. Saying that anyone who benefits from a system in which they are unaware and have done nothing active to proppogate it or also contributors is just plain false. If someone never paid a dime in taxes and weren't caught, they aren't suddenly unable to use the public road system or emergency services. Benefit and contribution are two separate points. Awareness changes that. That's my very issue though. The idea that reactionary hatred is justified, says that's not the case. There is a man named Daryl Davis, who is an amazing individual. He has collected over 200 KKK robes from members who have quit the organization because of him. And do you know how he did it? He, a black man, went to KKK rallies and made friends with people. That action and it's results would be made impossible if he hated them. Love overcomes hate. Anything that makes people see the individuals instead of the lies about the group is a good thing, and anything that makes you view a group of people as a homogenous, faceless group rather than as individuals is damaging. I just... I don't care what group were talking about. Race, sexual orientation, gender identity, anything... When you start referring to any of them as a group rather than as individuals you start distancing yourself from the people and start forming them into blocks. Thats not a good thing.

Firstly, I think everyone here agrees that oppression sucks. Secondly, I think most people here (if not all) agree that hatred is never a good thing. And thus, hatred should never be encouraged. If the oppressors hate the opressed, then the opression will obviously continue. And if the opressed hate the opressors, then the opressors will lack motivation to change their ways. Instead, they will be scared of the opressed, and keep on being prejudiced and racist against them. The point I am trying to make is that hate never does anybody any good, and if we want to make the world into a great place, everyone has to try and stop hating.

Hmmmm. I dont think it is accurate to say Hoid is knowingly trying to get access to all the magic systems. Now for my argument im going to use some OB spoilerage. We dont really know much about this form of magic he uses to know where he needs to be, im only guessing it is to further his "goals" and this line of thought could potentially be used in regards to the other magics he has aquired - e.g. hes acquisition of the lerasiem bead. !~ HIF ~!

I understand systemic racism. It's rampant. Viewing everyone on the side that benefits from the systemic problem as a contributor to that problem is exactly what I was speaking about though. Alienating people who are sympathetic to the plight of the oppressed group is problematic, because the very systemic issue makes those people more likely to be able to enact changes. It's why I keep referencing the Kaladin example. If he weren't growing past his issue he wouldn't be in a position to work with people and become proof that the very concept of darkeyes being lesser is wrong. Dalinar, and other lighteyes in power who are sympathetic are far more capable in the current system to enact change, because they are already accepted by the flawed system. Tearing down the system from the bottom up is both much much harder, and much more likely to result in an equal flawed system in the opposite direction. As Sigzil said to Kaladin, and Moash agreed, would you set yourself in their place? The point of fixing things is to make a system that is truly equal. And for that both sides need to come together and only the actual people who continue to push for imbalance should be punished. To paint with too broad a brush just puts a different group in power and creates and different group of oppressed people.

In the Hero of Ages, Demoux mentioned that Kelsier only got his allomantic powers AFTER Mare died (which is quite strange considering that he's part of a thieving crew with skaa mistings in it, which would include many many near-death situation, with many chances of being Snapped). So, why did Kelsier acquire his powers after SIXTEEN months in the Pits of Hathsin? (theres that number again!) From a certain novella, we've learnt that it was Preservation who spoke the word to Kelsier after Mare's death: Survive. This urged him to escape the Pits and whatnot. But why would Preservation take considerate notice on Kelsier, who was a nobody before? Wouldn't there be more important agenda to do, like focusing more on Vin and the refilling of the Well of Ascension? Perhaps he sees him being influenced by Ruin, or foresaw that he would train Vin? Whatever the case, I believed that Preservation somehow gave Kelsier allomantic powers by saying those words. And by doing so, he affected the future of Scadrial with the creation of Survivorism But as Demoux said, it is quite strange for Kelsier to have finally Snapped even after going through many traumatic and life-threatening events. Feel free to add on to this theory, or add in suggestions and stuff like that. Thanks!

I couldn't find a board where whining was encouraged so I came in here! I've never actually written anything before. Ever. Other than a paragraph here and there in high-school for whatever and only the bare minimum I had to. I suppose I could count the times I RPed with my BFF, but never a story, or anything more than a few sentences. I don't even know where to start! So I tried to write a couple different fan-fiction like things instead, I already had some fun plot ideas on my computer that I never imagined I'd do anything with. This way the majority of the background for the story was already there. Which went ok, but holy crap this is hard! Drawing is so much easier, how do you guys even do this!?! Then I tried writing a bit of my own thing...and got like a dozen sentences on each. I feel like I spent an hour whispering promises to a piece of paper and left it cold and lonely. It's not going to give me a second date at this rate . It's going to be an eternity before I can submit anything at this rate .

Arcanist just means that the person works on Arcanum, the wob archive. So lots of snippeting, listening, transcribing, etc. Nothing really to do with the Shard, other than the Admins here are the Admins there as well. I was invited because of the work I did on the Words of Radiance tour WoBs a few years back.

Those are DEEVY, Tesh! When you decide to make soulstamps after your Ceramics teacher has the class make stamps. And when you carve a little 16 as one of the engravings, even though you know he won't get it.

I know people commonly say this, but I still think it's valuable to bring up, that I don't think Adolin will ever become a Knight Radiant. I think part of the idea behind Adolin is to have a main viewpoint character who is just a normal person - not particularly secretive or duplicitous (like Shallan), not particularly intelligent (like Jasnah) and not endowed with magical powers (like all the Knights Radiant). The only way for him to become a Knight Radiant, I think, would be through his story arc with Maya. The hard thing about saying who will and who will not become a Radiant is that all of the different Orders cater to very different people, and all of the spren have very different motivations. Shallan has done things, for example, that would probably be considered morally wrong and antithetical to the ideals of the honorspren. The honorspren are so straightforward and idealistic, whereas Cryptics deal with lies, and relative truth, and compromise, which in many ways are opposite of the ideals of the honorspren. There are also some Orders that we still know very little about - such as Dustbringers and Stonewards - and for all we know, their ideals and motivations may attract very different types of people from the Radiants we've seen already. Some people think that Malata (the only Dustbringer we've met), is possibly a bad guy and that she is aligned with Odium, through Taravangian - and if Radiant spren can bond with Odium supporters, they can surely bond with anyone. When people say that Ialai Sadeas, for example, will never become a Radiant, I agree that she is definitely an unlikely candidate, but who knows - maybe the Dustbringer spren would find her to be just perfect for them. Or how about this as a crazy idea - perhaps Ialai will bond the Sibling, creating a major shift in the power dynamic, and forcing Dalinar and Navani to work with her. I'm just saying it's possible - we know very little about the Sibling's motivations and what type of person they would look for in a Bondsmith. I mean, we've already seen that spren often choose less-than-perfect people. Dalinar did horrible things in his past, and yet he was still bonded by the Stormfather, and Shallan is another example (although she really didn't have a choice...).

I doubt Navani would ever become radiant. She might be damaged enough that it's theoretically possible; but I don't think she will. Mostly because her primary interest includes trapping spren, which would likely make honorspren uncomfortable. The only exception I can think of would be if for some reason trapping (lesser) spren is seen as a virtue by some other spren.

I think we've gone off topic again.... Isn't there a general discussion page you guys could take some of these topics? Linguistics, oppression and prejudice are good topics to discuss, but I kinda came here to talk about things taking place in a fictional world and theorize in regards to fiction.... Just saying.

Yeah, I hear Alaska's terrible for surfing.

Is... is Zweiss what I think it is...? No. No! My brain! My innocence! NOOO!! (NOOO!! NOOO!! NOOO!! NOOO!! NOOO!! NOOO!!) World, I hope you appreciate the sacrifice I went through to get rid of Daylight Savings. The cost... may have been... too high... <weeps pathetically> The Nightwatcher lifts her eyebrows. "Oh, wow. I mean, just, wow. You're sure...?" You nod, and the Nightwatcher lets out a low whistle. "Oooookay then. Don't say I didn't warn you." With a wave of her insubstantial hand, you are suddenly transported to strange world. The ground -- and everything else, for that matter -- seems to be made of mist, springy but firm enough to support your weight. You are crouched at the top of a small hill overlooking a rather intimidating fortress brimming with guards, though the distance is too far to make out any details. Next to you is a man that you instantly recognize as Kelsier, the Survivor of Hathsin. He appears shocked by your presence. "Who are you, kid, and what are you doing here?" he asks. "I'm AonEne," you reply, "and I think we have a Nahel bond now...? I'm not sure." Kelsier shakes his head, grinning. "A Nahel bond? I've heard of those. Doesn't the spren get to initiate contact? Does that make you or me the spren?" You're about to answer, but Kelsier waves a scarred hand and cuts you off, "Doesn't matter. Listen, Shock -- can I call you Shock? -- you came at a great time. I need to sneak into that fortress, but there are too many guards and too many eyes. Since we're friends now, I'm sure you won't mind providing a distraction for me, right? Great!" Kelsier pulls out a small, glowing ball of... something, that instantly transforms into a wheelbarrow. Before you can protest, Kelsier picks you up and deposits you inside. "Be sure to make lots of noise, Shock. Grab their attention!" he says to you, then gives the wheelbarrow a shove to send it careening down the misty hillside towards the fortress. Good luck. I wish... Potatoes! Whatever that means. "I wish potatoes."

I've been assuming that your example of a person "on fire" is metaphorical. If it is not metaphorical than I think that it overstates the urgency and desperation of most types of racism/discrimination. If you're talking about some sort of horrific, violent, genocide, then yes, the example of a person whose body is literally on fire is relevant. But most types of societal hatred are much more... mundane, I guess? In Stormlight, for example, the darkeyes are oppressed, but they are not being literally set on fire. I think that both the oppressors and the oppressed should be held to a higher standard - that is the only way for hatred to mutually end. Perhaps I am overly focusing on what is required of the oppressed because it is more intuitive to assume that only the oppressors have a responsibility, and I've been arguing that both have a responsibility. And if it seems like I'm treating "of course the oppressive group should stop hating and oppressing people" as an offhand footnote, that may be because, well... it's obvious. Of course the oppressors need to stop hating in order for the hatred to end. But slightly less obvious (and therefore more worth discussing) is the fact that the oppressed people need to mend their hatred as well, if they have begun ideologically hating the oppressors. Compassion is required from both sides. This is especially true for long term healing. Once again... I think the example of someone who is on fire is kind of ridiculous, and it greatly overstates the reality of day-to-day societal hatred. Most societal hatred/discrimination is not that dire or immediate. Of course, if someone was ACTUALLY on fire, then everyone around them should obviously rush forward and put out the flames, regardless of what the person on fire is yelling at them. But the way I originally read your description of somebody on fire was metaphorically - the person who set the fire is the oppressor, the person on fire is the oppressed. Saying that people who receive societal hatred are lying on the ground, literally burning with flames is a very extreme and graphic image which kind of makes it impossible to logically discuss anything. ...You're getting a little to passionate about this, I think, I'm honestly starting to feel personally attacked. When you start castigating people so personally on a fanbase discussion board it kind of crosses the line. "The oppressors might someday end up oppressed and that scares you" ... "That hypothetical future is a bigger priority to you than the reality of the present" ... "You've managed to convince yourself that you're not part of the problem.." These types of comments stray from a civil discussion to just plain vitriol - it honestly reminds me of a YouTube comments section where everyone just starts yelling at each other and calling each other names. I think I've actually annoyed you and made you angry, which was not my intention at all and should obviously never happen on a friendly discussion board. All I've been doing is responding to your comments and disagreeing with you where I genuinely disagree. You have no idea what type of societal group or demographic I'm from, so saying that I'm afraid the oppressors will become oppressed, or that I've "managed to convince myself I'm not part of the problem" is just really uncalled for and rude.

Can I have some of your firemoss? Seems like it's pretty good stuff there.

There is a big difference between anger and resistance, and blanket hatred. I did not say that racism/discrimination should not be fought against, because it absolutely should. But there is a vast difference between resisting and fighting back against a systemic problem, and responding in kind and assuming that all people of the dominant class/race/etc. are part of the problem. One of those options is hate, and is a problem. The other is standing up against hatred and should be fully supported. Don't conflate the two. They are not the same thing. Edit: to be clear, I'm just say there's a very large difference between anger at perpetrators and the system that causes the oppression, and hate like we see with Kaladin, in which anyone who benefits from an imbalanced system become perpetrators themselves. When it no longer matters if the person is prejudiced. When it no longer matters that they have done absolutely nothing wrong, but you hate them simply because they are born into the class/race/etc. that happens to be favored, then they are still be hated for something outside of their own control and it is no different. The system may not support that hatred, but it is still blind hate. My entire point was that that kind of blind hatred alienates people who would be allies in the fight against oppression, precisely because there are people who would see equality in justice in every group. And hate prevents those alliances from forming. So yes, hate is hate.

I was reading this topic here(tks Gibletish) http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4716-sort-of-theories/#entry76774 and I noticed a little secret in one of Hoid conversation. In the book Hoid say to Dalinar this: “Nonsense. Balderdash. Figgldygrak. Isn't it odd that gibberish words are often the sounds of other words, cut up and dismembered, then stitched into something like them—yet wholly unlike them at the same time?" If you take the word Balderdash you can form an anagram like this: Balderdash = B a l d e r d a s h S h a r d b l a d e I kind got curious and knowing that my humble self will never crack this little secret I decided to call for the help of my fellows Shardies to see if anybody was any idea about what Figgldygrak anagram could be. Of course that anyone that discovery the aswer will receive all the brag rights and my eternal respect =) So, anybody have any idea how solve this little mystery ?

Ok, so ever since I first read Bands of Mourning when it first came out, I've been wondering about this. (disclaimer, I am not suggesting that Brandon is going to do something like this in the books at all, just that its a curious idea.) There were 2 discussions in particular that brought the idea to my attention. First, when Melaan patched a bullet wound for Marasi. She took a nibble to create a flesh bandage for Marasi's intestine an skin and tissue, which is a pretty awesome idea in itself. Then Wayne was later telling Marasi to be careful w/ the Kandra spike. He said something along the lines of "Be careful not to poke yourself and turn into a Kandra" Anyway, Wayne is certainly crazy enough to make the attempt and he might intrigue Melaan enough to try it out. The attempt being turning Wayne into a Kandra or 1/2 Kandra. All Melaan really needs is enough food and focus to make the attempt. Wayne needs enough health stored just in case. If he stores up enough health, or gets a identity-free metalmind with the gold misting ability stored in it, he can compound for the health. If the Kandra can recreate a body so precisely, what about creating an entire body that way? So Melaan eats Wayne, slowly, and rebuilds each piece, connecting the nerves along the way. So as long as Melaan is connected she can be a life support system. If the attempt fails entirely, Wayne regenerates with stored health. So Wayne gets a nearly full body prosthesis made from Kandra flesh. The next challenge would be how Wayne would gain any control over the "kandra" nerves of the flesh instead of just the synthesized human ones. Could Melaan leave the prosthetic behind, attached to wayne, and let it function like a normal body? Or, would the kandra flesh, separated from the Kandra revert to dead mistwraith flesh? Would Wayne's ability as bloodmaker, reject and regenerate the full body, or would it incorporate the kandra Prosthesis? Yes, I know I sound like a mad scientist. Thoughts?

Granted, but now YOU are Kelsier's spren instead of me. (I AM FREEEEEE - Ati) I wish to know what LackOfTui does.

Same. I love Maya and I want her and Adolin to develop more, but I really don’t want Adolin to be a Radiant. I think it’s a chance that it will go either way for him. Please, please no. I just want Adolin to be the normal guy. He’s one of my favorites, so it’s not that I dislike him. As far as other people go, I don’t think Kaladin’s parents will be Radiants, although I do hope we see more of them. I guess that Lerin will be a surgeon for Odium’s side, because he will just want to save people, not caring what side he’s helping. I also want him and Moash to meet.

Lopen however was shielded from this by an artefact the Voidus rock gave him.

Soul tossed his present towards the couple. It hit Rhazien in the head with the strength of a crockpot thrown by a Knight Radiant. Cause that’s what it was. “Thought you might like something useful and useless at the same time. You’re welcome.” He said, then went back for more cake.

We have a recent WOB saying that they weren't looking for "Awakening" in particular, but were looking for "weirdness". My guess is that Kriss and Nahz are investigating a chain of events that has been resulting in Feruchemically Awakened Objects (no breath required). Full Mistborn Era 1 Spoilers and Itsy Bitsy Era 2 Spoilers

Rhazien placed the bowtie in his pocket to study later. Lopen hadn't properly tied it to him allowing his to take it off. "Shall we?" He asks Yzabet, still holding her.

Hmm, I guess I am maybe guilty of making an assumption here, based on how Warbreaker itself ended, in the Epilogue? And the two WoBs in the Coppermind about Nightblood (the sequel novel to come) said that Brandon plans to set its events close after Warbreaker and before Stormlight (Way of Kings), and that it would "answer all your questions" about how Vasher/Zahel "lost possession" of Nightblood. (Another hint there: In one scene in Oathbreaker, Nightblood proudly says to Szeth that he doesn't belong to anybody, that "I'm my own sword. Vivenna told me that!" or something to that effect.) So I infer from this that the big conflict in that sequel would be between this "tyrant" who's "trying to restore" the main rivals of Hallendren dating back to the Manywar, presumably doing so by making a beef with modern day Hallendren, with who Yesteel the Fifth Beatle Scholar is now aligned, providing them with some kind of Lifeless Super-Soldier Serum. I'm sure Hank would be very useful in a conflict like that.

The only thing that stuck out for me as something to work on was the impending cultural changes. I would expect some groups of isolationists to come forward, as Grumv society seems to function well as it is. I'd also expect a huge amount of excitement over contacting other species and cultures, unless there's a great deal of secrecy over what the platform is for. This could potentially cause instability within the city, causing even more tension through the story. I appreciated the explanation of the Grumvs' gender, and saw the hint of a middle grade style romance between Avi and the main character. Perhaps I was reading too much into the relationship, but that's how it was starting to come across to me. If that is the case, or if it's not the case, I think that some clarifications may be necessary shortly, especially if it's the case that individuals from different species don't pair off. Particularly interesting to me was the naturalist aspect, and the idea that their findings could confirm the largely disbelieved theories of a dead parent; this added stakes to the journey for me, which seemed to be missing somewhat before.

The fact that these two are ending up being major topics in the same thread is kinda amusing.

I don't always tolerate stupid people, but when I do, I'm probably at work.

Hey, another Aimian! My character:

I know I said I was done, but I have to respond...yes, I am getting passionate. Yes, I do feel personally about stuff like oppression. But the fact that you feel personally attacked, Llarimar, is not on me. It is a reflection of your continued stance that you are only comfortable even just having discussions about oppression, let alone acting around it, so long as you feel comfortable and affirmed. At no point in any of this have I made any kind of attack on your PERSON. I have heatedly condemned the positions you've put forth here, but that is about words, ideas, not about you PERSONALLY. As you said, I don't know you. I don't know what groups you are or aren't a part of, just like you don't know the same about me. But neither have I actually inferred anything about you beyond what your own words have said about your position on this. Like, how could I be making assumptions about what groups you're part of when we're not even talking about specific groups? Everything I've said is based on YOUR words, and that I think your stance continues to benefit the oppressors more than anyone else and thus seems to speak to the fact that either consciously or unconsciously, they're the real focus of your concern - and since so much of your argument is about how people naturally prioritize themselves and their own feelings before deciding how and in what ways to take action, THAT is what makes me feel that YOU are reacting from a place of defensiveness, and thus lumping yourself in with at least some group of oppressors and identifying more with them than a group that is oppressed. But like....we've been talking about dynamics, not specific groups. I take responsibility for my words and the things I read into what you say, but you have to take responsibility for whatever YOU read into a conversation too. If you've decided this conversation is specifically about white people and people of color, and you're a white person and reacting defensively because of that - that's on you, because you don't know that I'm not white. And because this conversation could equally be about the oppressive dynamics between straight people and gay people, cisgender and transgender, etc. But literally nothing I've said has been personal beyond the fact that I am responding aggressively, yes, but aggressively to words and ideas that you have put forth. I condemn them, yes, but I have not done so by means of any slurs, insults, insinuations about anything you do or don't do outside of this conversation. If you feel personally attacked by that, that's something you need to reflect on. Because opposition to an idea, even passionate opposition, is not an ATTACK. The fact that you equate anything YOU deem to be too forceful a pushback to an idea you put forth says a lot more than any ID badge about what you do or don't believe constitutes oppression. I freely admit that I do have my doubts that you are in any way qualified based on your own personal experiences (WHATEVER they may be) to determine what's 'serious' enough to merit an analogy as extreme as my person on fire metaphor. Yes, it is an extreme metaphor. But it is also not as ridiculous as you seemed to think it is, because many forms of oppression even in first world countries ARE extremely dire, urgent and life-threatening, and the fact that you have the personal distance from such a notion so as to be able to think it in the first place - that is what says to me that whatever groups you are part of, your personal experiences with being oppressed are not as much as certain others in society. You seem bemused by the fact that I'm not treating this discussion as academically and abstractly as you are able to.....and that is because it is neither academic nor abstract to me, and while it may not be for you either, you are the one who has chosen to present yourself and your positions in such a way. And yes, Calderis, there is a difference between ignorance and willful ignorance, and I maintain we see it illustrated in this thread. Because maintaining that an analogy that presents an instance where someone is in extreme pain and suffering as being too ridiculous or extreme for the discussion we're having because most racism/oppression/etc isn't that dire, is WILLFUL ignorance to the realities of what life is like for some members of oppressed groups BECAUSE of their oppression. If you're able to utilize the internet as adeptly and thoroughly to make your way to this forum, you can only be ignorant of the reality that even in America, in 2018, members of oppressed groups are murdered, beaten, in a myriad of ways violently harmed and oppressed by members of oppressing groups, even while in some cases, people merely stand by and watch (and film it).....if you're WILLFULLY choosing not to see these things because they don't support your unsubstantiated theory that 'racism/oppression is bad yes, but not THAT bad, its not like people DIE because of it, guys.' I'm paraphrasing here, but this is the attitude I feel is conveyed by certain posts here, and a large part of my forceful response. Please learn to recognize the difference between passion and aggression and actual threat and harm. I am very passionate at this moment, and yes, that manifests in the form of language that is phrased more aggressively towards people in this thread and their ideas than it strictly needs to be, but there is no way, shape or form that in doing so I present a threat to anyone here, and that they are in any way being attacked personally.

126. #115 is not accurate if you are currently Shrek. 127. In general, don't accept gifts. Especially don't accept food or drink unless it's from a very generic person. If possible, pull a mad-eye moody and carry a flask around with you.

@ROSHtaFARian2.0, I think you make a very good point that adds to the discussion, which is that hatred from a higher group and reactionary hatred from the oppressed group are not the same thing, and that a distinction needs to be drawn between them. I don't want to make it seem like I'm playing devil's advocate, because I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but there's one argument you express in particular that I take issue with. This does sound logical - if the superior group initiated the hatred, and they did so baselessly, then only they can choose to stop the hatred, because the oppressed group never asked for it in the first place. However, I think it's very important to remember what @Calderis said in response, which is that showing blind reactionary hatred towards all members of the oppressing group is not the same as productively fighting against that hatred, and it does indeed worsen the situation. Just because one group of people begins displaying hatred towards another group, that does not give the oppressed group justification for violently hating them in response. Then you get into a "You started it! No you started it!" circular argument where the original reason for the hatred eventually becomes glossed over, and the only thing that matters is the "us versus them" mentality. And once both groups - the oppressors and the oppressed - begin viewing each other in broad faceless categories, then any chance for reconciliation and mutual respect is lost, because everyone feels justified in their grievances, and they stop seeing the humanity of the other side. You can see this very clearly in the example with Kaladin and the lighteyes. Kaladin hates the lighteyes so intensely that it doesn't really matter why he originally started hating them - yes, he has plenty of reasons for hating lighteyes, but it really comes down to the fact that he hates them ideologically, and he can't see beyond that. The actions of Amaram and numerous other lighteyes have so scarred Kaladin that he has developed an ideological hatred towards the entire caste, and refuses to believe that not all of them are like that. For example, in tWoK, Dalinar is a great champion of honor and dignity for all people, and Kaladin is unable to see this - it takes him a very long time to trust Dalinar and work together with him, because of the fact that he is so blinded by his hatred. Throughout all the Stormlight books we've seen so far, Kaladin really struggles with this. He cannot move past his disdain for lighteyes, even though numerous lighteyes he has met - Dalinar, Adolin, Shallan - are all good people who respect Kaladin, and are doing little or nothing to actively fuel the hatred between the two groups. His hatred is making the situation worse - even though it was "started" by the superior group, Kaladin is contributing a great deal of fuel to the fire to keep the hatred alive. So no, the oppressed group is not powerless. If there are people in the superior group (like Dalinar) who are trying to heal the wounds of hatred, they can only do so if people in the oppressed group (like Kaladin) are likewise willing to let go of their reactionary hatred as well. Respect and compassion are required from people in both groups for any real progress to be made. This can be seen in people like Kaladin's parents, who taught him to respect all people and even wanted him to marry a lighteyes girl - it was only Kaladin's experiences later in life, not his childhood upbringing, which soured him on lighteyes. Kaladin's parents do not show hatred towards lighteyes, and are able to see the good in them, and Dalinar does not show hatred towards darkeyes, and is able to see the good in them as well, and it is this mutual compassion from both groups that is required for the systemic hatred to heal.

Biggest problems to overcome on Scadrial are that you need humans to tap or fill a metalmind, I don't know how a machine could use them. You also couldn't place a spike into a machine so it could make use of the Hemalurgic ability. IF they overcame these obstacles somehow, Scadrial is the first to use supercomputers. Nalthis seems like the fastest to be able to do this, as long as someone could visualize what a computer is. It would take a large amount of breath though, because it's not replicating life. Sixth of the Dusk Spoilers:

I vote that we name it Harold.

Stormlight roughly increases strength 1.5-2x. I've actually compiled a list of relevant quotes comparing the two in order to solve this debate once and for all, but I've yet to decide whether to post it here or on Reddit. Anyway a good indication of the radiants strength is that they rarely do anything strength wise that could be considered superhuman. So the first quote quite clearly shows it increases strength, the second one shows that although it is not an insignificant strength increase it's not enough for kaladin to definitively say his feat in jumping is greater then an ordinary man could manage. Seeing as the horse appears to be thoroughbred and that are at most 170 cm in height kaladin probably doesn't jump over a metre in height otherwise he wouldn't have had to grab hold of the pommel and throw a leg over. He could have just bent a leg and landed on the saddle sitting. Also jumping over a metre in height is starting to be quite obviously superhuman so there's that too. There's other instances of strength increases but i'm not going to list them all. now on to pewter So given the above quotes and pewters ability to allow people to run as faster or faster then a horse (which is 50km + about 2-3x the average sprint speed of a person) pewter likely increases strength by a factor of 5-10x. It will vary person to person though because in the case of a lerasium mistborn seeing as they are capable of stopping a koloss blow they are likely 15-20x as strong as normal and that's a conservative estimate. The koloss by virtue of being twice as big as normal must be 8x as heavy by virtue of the cubed square law and since they have shown reasonable jumping capabilities and survived falls from reasonable height they are likely at least 2x stronger on top of that. Combine that with the fact koloss will have all there weight behind the swing of a sword at similar speed 15-20x as strong isn't unreasonable. Lerasium mistborn aren't more then 2x as strong as they haven't been shown to be able to pierce copper clouds so hence a normal mistborn being half strength. i'm not entirely sure on the strength of plate but this quote gives an idea. So for the punch delivered above, the end result sounds quite similar to the blow the pewter thug delivers to Vin. So given that the thug had the use of two hands and the plate bearer only had one i'm going to say he is half as strong. That would mean a lerasium mistborn and a man in plate are roughly equivalent in strength, with a normal mistborn being being half that strength. So lets double check that by comparing jump heights and accounting for the weight of plate. Plate probably weighs 200-300 lbs, enough that your going to find it extremely difficult to move in. So seeing as there's a scene where Dalinar jumps 8 feet which is about equivalent to 6 feet in normal gravity that means if you take away the suit which is at least his weight he would be capable of jumping 12-15 feet. We see Vin jump 10 feet in a leap so it's not unreasonable to suggest a lerasium mistborn could jump 12-15 feet if they wanted. So these results are roughly the same as above and indicate plate and lerasium are on par with normal misting being half as strong (remember vin is stronger then normal hence her jump not being that close to half). So in summary plate>/= to pewter which is > stormlight. So basically it depends with regards to pewter and plate and stormlight is a distant third. So which one is strongest? feruchemy clearly. By the way if your discussing Allomancy you might want to state whether spoilers are allowed or move it to a different forum.

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There's also the possibility that Thanos is actually just certifiably insane, in keeping with his comics title of "The Mad Titan."

New WoB! From here:

The most important words a man can say are, "I will do better." These are not the most important words any man can say. I am a man, and they are what I needed to say. The ancient code of the Knights Radiant says "journey before destination." Some may call it a simple platitude, but it is far more. A journey will have pain and failure. It is not only the steps forward that we must accept. It is the stumbles. the trials. The knowledge that we will fail. That we hurt those around us. But if we stop, if we accept the person we are when we fall, the journey ends. That failure becomes our destination. To love the journey is to accept no such end. I have found, through painful experience, that the most important step a person can take is always the next one. I'm certain some will feel threatened by this record. Some few may feel liberated. Most will simply feel that it should not exist. I needed to write it anyway.

Let's think a little sideways: What if it's not an anagram? It could be an acronym - eleven letters, but eleven isn't particularly significant in the Cosmere. The only example that comes to mind is the 11th metal that was brought up early in the Mistborn Trilogy. How many worlds are there in the Cosmere? It could also be a cipher? Are there any simple codes that come up in Sanderson's other works? The problem I've found is the lack of vowels. By reversing the positions of the letters in the alphabet (A becomes Z, etc) I got: BINORTTTUWZ which could transfer to TOR WINZ BUTT but I don't think that's the secret. Personally, I'm leaning toward the only significance here being that it hid some wordplay with balderdash, but I haven't used my brain in a while, so let's exhaust this!