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Poor Hoid. Hopefully Jasnah does not go here.

Oh oh oh. A T-Shirt that says "The T is a Plant" I would laugh so hard.

Ok, totally unofficial, but certifiably awesome nonetheless (spoilered to not hijack the thread): As per your request @ZenBossanova, here is the alternate T-shirt (I like it better this way too, but Rshara came up with the original gem)

Forgoe the foolish errand you now seek Seek the way and renounce all sin Learn the wisdom of Elantris's peak Crush the ancient evil within Praise the Ja in all The wind of truth blows through us all Slippery in blood while wet with tears We pace for time immemorial this dusty hall Wrapped in the echoing silence of our fears Praise the Ja in all Hearts colder than iron's touch Souls brighter than the eternal sun We ask so little but seek so much The sand runs out my time is done All shall end and to all is none Praise the Ja in all So I pass. Praise the Ja!

Nale confirmed.

And on the back it could say "There's a diagram that shows what I mean"

So! My weekend, let me tell you of it. Friday: I spent a couple of hours before Opening Ceremonies helping get artists checked in for the Art Show. I've been volunteering at JordanCon every year I've gone so far, and it's a great way for a new person to get to know folks at the con. They really, really appreciate their volunteers and make sure that they get a few special perks, as well as their very own raffle. (Tickets are given out to volunteers based on hours worked.) After Opening Ceremonies, I did a cruise-round of the Dealer's Room. Guys, there is so much more space than in the old hotel! Seriously, the Art Show/Dealer's Hall space is at least three times larger than it was last year. It was glooorious. I then went to @Ravioli's panel with Isaac on copyrights, and once I had confirmed with myself that my Porgs were not going to cause a problem, I tracked down Dragonsteel where they gathered for dinner to present them with Kaladin Porgblessed and the rest of Bridge Porg. Brandon, as expected, giggled at me in that way he does when he has encountered maximum fan silliness and wants to humor the crazy. Emily and Kara, however, went nuts over them. It was brilliant. And they were especially thrilled with me for making sure that there were enough Porgs for every member of the crew, including the ones who hadn't been able to come. Friday night brought the Speculation After Dark panel, where I and a few others sat up in a room full of Sanderfans like yourselves and spewed out baseless speculation to them all. I got to share my "polyamory solves Stormlight love triangle" theory with more unwitting victims. Bahahaha. Saturday: This was my insane marathon day. Starting at 10am (my t-shirt read, "Clearly I have made some bad decisions."), I was on three panels in a row: Orientation to the Cosmere, Cosmere Magic 101, and Book Spotlight: Oathbringer. This was my first year on panels, and it is so gloriously freeing to be able to just sit there and blather with just three or four other people rather than raising my hand and waiting to be called on. (Ask the others who had to sit in the audience how they suffered and how much they envied me.) I did wind up sharing a lot more than I expected on the Oathbringer panel; the topic turned to mental illness and I made some points about how it's not something you can just cure. I opened up about my own issues and what I do to manage them. That was...unplanned, but seemed to be well-received. After my last panel, I skedaddled up to my room to change into costume and zipped back downstairs, having missed just the first bit of the RAFOlympics. I had a question to ask (and hilariously, my own track director didn't recognize me at first after having sat next to me for a solid four hours). I thought it was a good question, but some of you might not agree. Check the transcripts for the question about how much authority the Synod holds over the other Terris enclaves in Era 2. (I wanted to know!) After that, it was to the Main Programming room for costume contest pre-judging. I actually got through pretty quickly and managed to duck out for ten minutes in order to take a glance at the Charity Auction. It only runs on Saturday and I hadn't had the opportunity to check it out; I got to see how my donated Porgs were embroiled in bidding wars. I also put in a bid on a dulcimer that amazingly I wound up getting. But I didn't know that till later. The costume contest was amazing; there were so many awesome costumes! I got a Judge's Choice award for my work, which was pretty fantastic given my skirt release tech hadn't been set quite right. There was some stiff competition. People put in a lot of time and effort into their costumes, and everyone who won an award deserved every scrap of accolades they got. Sunday: I am apparently a glutton for punishment, as I put myself into yet another 10am volunteer shift working art show sales. Why I do this to myself nobody knows. At some point lunch and general milling around happened, and then it was time for Sanderson trivia. Oh, my goodness, Sanderson trivia. My teammates were my best friend, another Sandertrack panelist, and a fourth fellow who needed a team, and we needed a fourth player. And guys? We rocked it. We answered every single question correctly. Each one of us on the team, at some point, contributed an answer that the others did not know. When all of the points were tallied up, the first place team was named: Silverlight Scholars! We even somehow beat Karen and her wiki by one point! First, second, and third places all got shiny medals and swag bags of things from Dragonsteel. I am going to be treasuring my spike and Bondsmith pins forever. After trivia, we all high tailed it down to the end of Brandon's signing. (Yes, they scheduled it at the same time. It was a bit rough. But it's Brandon, and you know how he is about making sure he stays until everything has been signed.) I asked another question - you'll find it on the transcript, but the paraphrased version is that given how too much Compounding can cause permanent changes/damage to a person, whether isolated extended bursts of Compounding could produce an effect similar to pewter drag. (It can.) Then was Feedback and Leave-Takings, and the con officially closed. But we had the gaming hall still, so Aftercon ran until at least midnight. I'm not sure exactly how late it went; my exhaustion caught up with me before then and I turned in to bed while things were still swinging. But at JordanCon, the party doesn't end until everyone is kicked out. Late Monday morning, someone pulled the fire alarm, so the hotel literally did kind of kick us out. But only for our own safety. Or me! I am hurt! Hurt, I say! Well, it's cemented. I am officially, desperately in love with Nazh.

Last night I reread the scene where Taravangian speaks with Odium... So basically they are looking at the Diagram as it originally appeared, written all over the original room it was created in. Odium then overlays his vast knowledge on top of it. And we see that in one corner it's all gone black, presumably because of Renarin. I thought it was interesting that Taravangian mentions that this black section begins "behind where the bed had stood". So I flipped open to the Diagram epigraphs in WoR and found two that seem to be in that same area of the room, near the bed. I think it's interesting that both of these are directly related to Taravangian's plans to become king of the world. They are also, so far as we know, the biggest failing of the Diagram so far. Their interpretations and predictions concerning Dalinar (and the politics for Taravangian to take over) have been repeatedly wrong. Is it just a coincidence that these pieces of the Diagram are written near the bed, which is where Renarin's impact on Odium's foresight is rooted? A bit of a tangent here, but... Why is the blackness rooted in Renarin? We can speculate all over, but the obvious (general) answer is that it's related to the corruption of Glys. That's the most unique thing about him. And the most tangible thing we know of that's a result of this is his ability to see the future. I think Renarin's ability to see the future is causing him to have an atium-like affect on the grand scale of events on Roshar. When somebody uses atium, they can see the future of the world around them. It's different for Renarin of course... He clearly sees a bit further ahead than one does with normal atium usage. And his sight is centered around key moments rather than a simple foresight into how the objects/people around him move. But it's effectively the same thing. When TWO people burn atium, they see a (seemingly) infinite number of possibilities sprouting from the other person. This is because you're getting a positive feedback loop that makes each person's actions nearly impossible to predict. So I think this is what's happening with Renarin's blackness on "Odium's Diagram". Renarin's just one guy of course. Compared to Odium's future sight, he presents a relatively small margin of error. But it's enough to have an impact in one corner. Imagine you're a general burning atium while watching a battle unfold, as one of the soldiers on the battlefield also burns atium. That person's actions would be a mess that makes no sense of course, but he doesn't influence the ENTIRE battlefield. You can see most of it clearly. Just not that corner over there. All of that to say... Odium seems to have augmented Taravangian's Diagram in this scene, and it's very curious to me that the blackness of Renarin is in the same corner as these snippets relating to Taravangian's plans concerning Dalinar and the coalition. Snippets which have repeatedly proven hard to work with, at best. Theory: Renarin Kholin's ability to see the future has caused events concerning Dalinar and the coalition to diverge from what Taravangian originally predicted.

Hello! I was introduced to Sanderson just over a year ago and recently wrapped up all of the Cosmere books... Jeesh. I've tended to read more sci-fi but I'm very excited to explore more fantasy now. I kept myself from reading much here for fear of spoilers until I finished Words of Radiance and I've been devouring posts since. Thank you all for building such a great community! I recently started listening to the Shardcast and have enjoyed geeking out with those guys... :-) A favorite Cosmere book is hard to pick... Is it a cop-out to say Oathbringer at this point? Either that or Hero of the Ages.

Night 5: Seo Soren Porfiry walked despondently down the echoing tunnels, heading towards the mountain. A second failed attack. The painter would not lay down and die, and though he had first been implicated in her survival, Soren knew the townsfolk now implicated him with the attacks. Both were true, in a way. Soren didn’t care. His mind felt like a blank slate as he drew near the long chain of peaks, stretching as far as the eye could see. This passage was his only refuge from the swarming villagers, who hunted for his blood. It was also his doom, for the winding passages led to only one place of any import. The pool. Soren’s thoughts wandered despite the limited time he had remaining to think them. He remembered how he had found the orphan, Elysian, step out of the pool. How he had brought him in front of the rest of his compatriots, those who had not abandoned Shu-Jesker after the fall of Duladel, and continued its faithful practice. How together they had sacrificed, pleaded, and cried for help to the gods, each day, to no avail. Finally, he remembered Elysian’s words before he had stepped into the blue water for the last time. “Praise the Ja.” Soren felt the passage begin to curve upwards, and knew that he had begun his ascent of the mountain. His heart quickened, each beat precious, numbered. He was drawing near to his own death. Death. He found himself accepting that word. He had made peace with himself, or, more accurately, found his peace within the Ja. His murders brought a small measure of remorse with them, but Soren knew they were necessary. Necessary to open his eyes to the one force that could save him. The force he had discovered after Elysian’s death, and Ateshao’s sacrifice. The Ja. After an hour of steady climbing, the sloped switchbacks became a set of stairs, and Soren knew he had reached his goal. He climbed up them, emerging from a small door in the cliff face to a flat ledge, carved into the rock. Two sides were drop offs, and two were sheer cliffs, both with doors cut into them. Soren assumed the second door led into Elantris. But it mattered little to him at this point. The pool was waiting silently, ready to claim its next volunteer. The cool water promised forgiveness, peace, freedom, all of which Soren was too ready to accept. The former Cultist stepped up to the edge of the blue water. “Praise the Ja,” he whispered as he fell, and was lost to mortal sight. Dalinar Kholin was lynched! He was a Jeskeri Cultist and a Jindo Warrior! Vote count: Soren Porfiry (Dalinar Kholin) (10): Amati (Kidpen), Bob (Steeldancer), Fenot (Coop772), Kainae (Little Wilson), Sahin Arehe (Mraize), Sheodan (Devotary of Spontaneity), Sheon Idris (Seonid), Straw (Straw) This cycle will end at 8:00 MDT on the 25th of April. If I can find the countdown site, you’ll get a countdown. Otherwise, do math. Edit: Hero linked it. Sorry I can’t insert fancy images of Aons and such like Hero can. I did attach a drawing, if it uploads correctly. Sorry for the diminished quality of this cycle post. Praise the Ja!

This is so good on so many levels. This would make a great 17th shard t-shirt, total economy of language to create a cryptic statement that is a summation of a complex yet highly probable speculative theory. My only possible revision to this gem, to make it even more misleadingly cryptic, is this: "Mr. T is still a plant by Cultivation"

When you unironically think "Wow, two minutes and no notifications? That's surprising."

The scratching on the walls made all the difference it seems. It pushed Dalinar to head towards the center, which lead to the discovery of Urithiru, the death of Eshonai and Kaladin mending his bond.

It burns! Oh the horror of it! Shameless thread necromancy!

Hello. I just finished Stormlight Archive, after the rest of the cosmere.

Please, I beg of you, dont bring all the storming Dark Alley/TUBA drama to this great thread. Keep it in the guilds section

Hey all! I was looking for a place to put some of my mistborn/stormlight archive fan-art where poeple might actually be interested in seeing it lol I always love seeing fan-art of books I love. I've read all of the stormlight archive (what there is so far) and have only read the first mistborn book. No mistborn spoilers please! I'm still waiting on the second book. It's cool that Brandon has such a nice fan forum. I wish other books I liked had fandoms with such orginized sites so people can be nerds and fangirls in peace. Get ready for some mediocre fan art ya'll! Once I figure out how the gallery thing works...

All things considered, I'm with @Blightsong and still believe the gems contain Unmade. @Jofwu, I don't think a simple voidspren would create the effect that we see in those spheres. If it did, the stormspren gem that Eshonai took into the storm should have glowed in the same manner, and it definitely did not. Edit: From the interlude in which Eshonai enters the storm. The stone isn't described as glowing at all. As the gems in fabrials can be drained of stormlight, and then infused and still work, I think it just looked like a dun gemstone.

Stormlight Archives

Oh great Harmony, look at this. You all should be ashamed, you resurrected an arcane welcome thread. What is your problem

I wish to get upvotes.

Hero of Ages

Theory: Ancient fabrials operate with the help of a willing, sentient spren. "Modern fabrials" are Stormlight-powered mechanisms that make use of a spren trapped in a gemstone. All of the details aren't entirely clear. We know the type of gem and spen matter. Some of them, at least, require you to press metal against the gem. Mysterious as it may be to us, the scholars of Roshar have it pretty well figured out. And yet they are totally stumped by so-called "ancient fabrials". We've seen several ancient devices with all kinds of specific and powerful uses. Devices that use Stormlight like a fabrial... And yet they don't require a trapped spren, and the means to create more of them are unknown. Soulcasters. Shardplate. Oathgates. So what's the deal? I think that they DO use spren. Just in a very different way. I don't think I've seen anybody talking about this. Honestly, I didn't give it much attention myself until I was recently reminded about something I had noticed in Kaza's interlude when Brandon read it earlier this year. If you look closely, a spren seems to be present when she uses her Soulcaster. When we put this together with everything else we saw in Oathbringer... I think the solution of how ancient fabrials becomes clear. I'm going to go through all of the so-called ancient fabrials that we know of and see what observations we can make. Soulcasters Again, the big revelation here is from Kaza's interlude: See that mention of "another will reinforcing her own"? I think it's a spren. Notably, the spren is "attracted by her request for aid". Recall that trapping spren for modern fabrials requires you to attract the spren: Interesting that this spren is also "attracted". But it isn't a slave. It came willingly, to help. It's unclear whether this particular spren is "attached" to Kaza's soulcaster, or whether it was simply a spren that happened to be nearby. You could interpret this different ways. Did a particular spren, or a particular group of spren, agree to be bound to the soulcaster? Or to come at the call of a Soulcaster? Perhaps it's not an agreement binding them at all, but rather their nature. They hear a Soulcaster's "request for aid" and just naturally want to join in. What kind of spren could this be? I'm skeptical that it's a Knight Spren, though that's a possibility. I'm more inclined to think that it is some spren related Soulcasting OR some spren related to the essence of smoke (which Kaza's device is attuned to). And on that note, it's also interesting that we see there are different "levels" of Soulcasters--some being more limited than others. This theory perfectly explains why in one of two ways. (1) Perhaps the more powerful Soulcasters are linked to multiple spren, each granting different types of Soulcasting. (2) Or perhaps the more powerful Soulcasters are linked to more powerful spren--one that is able to do more than the spren of lesser Soulcasters. Oathgates Okay, that's a nice theory for Soulcasters, but is there anything to back this up? Let me introduce you to these guys. We now know that the Oathgates each make use of two strange and powerful spren. Exactly what they do is hard to say, but they are obviously part of the device's functionality. The fact that the device is a fabrial is also obvious--Shallan makes the observation when they first discovered the Oathgate in Narak. You charge it with Stormlight, point it the way you want to go, and activate it. The Surgebinder's own spren, of course, isn't what makes the thing work. It's more of a key perhaps? In any case, another example of an ancient fabrial that uses a spren to work. It's notable that (in this case) the spren seem to have made an agreement to guard/operate the thing. They follow specific rules and don't seem to leave their location in Shadesmar. Urithiru Our characters have begun to speculate that Urithiru itself is one GIANT fabrial. We know so little about it, so there's not much to say here... We DO know that it is mostly (but not entirely) non-functional. We can only speculate as to what it should be doing, but records left by former Radiants confirm the notion that it used to be MORE somehow. Plus there are the oddities like the massive gemstone pillar that won't be infused, the strata on the walls... It isn't fully broken of course. One record notes that the artificial air pressure hasn't failed, even if the "climate control" hasn't, and this apparently still true. What do we know about how Urithiru operated? About why it stopped working? One answer: the Sibling. A spren heavily connected to the tower city. A spren which many are speculating "IS" the city. It will be interesting to see what Jasnah finds when she investigates the city in Shadesmar... An oddity?.... Or an ancient (very powerful) fabrial, making use of an ancient (very powerful) spren? Shardplate I'm proposing that Shardplate is actually an ancient fabrial. The resemblance to other ancient fabrials is notable. It's an ancient, powerful device that is powered by Stormlight, it doesn't use a trapped spren, and it seems to make use of the Surges. The popular theory on Shardplate of course is that they are the "cousin-spren" of the Surgebinder's Nahel bond spren. This theory doesn't negate that possibility. In fact, it may fill in the gaps of why Shardplate is so different from Shardblades. Why does Shardplate behave so differently in modern times? Great question... For that, I'd have to turn attention back to Urithiru. We have that city as an example for what happens when an ancient fabrial has stopped working at full functionality. Perhaps the same is happening with Shardplate? Unfortunately our brief visions of "properly working" Shardplate are limited in what they reveal. How might it work? Presumably it's an actual, physical device of some kind (not, I would propose, the "dead bodies" of lesser spren) that happens to be tied to one or more spren. Perhaps it's tied to the cousin spren. Perhaps some other spren. Perhaps multiple. Perhaps one. It's hard to say. We haven't seen into Shadesmar in the presence of Shardplate, yet, so we don't know if this/those spren are present with the Plate. But then if the Plate is "asleep" like Urithiru and the Sibling it's hard to guess what we would expect to see. Conclusion I feel like I need a conclusion... I don't have proof for this theory, but the evidence is (I think) pretty strong and consistent. I left out Regrowth fabrials simply because we know almost nothing about them besides the fact that they exist. The inclusion of Shardplate is the most questionable piece, but I think it fits. As an aside, I suppose it's worth mentioning Jah Keved's half-shards. In Oathbringer Chapter 100, Taravangian suggests that the half-shards make use of "true spren". This is a controversial statement, but however you interpret his words, it suggests that these modern fabrials are more powerful because they make use of more powerful spren. That is, I think, in line what the concepts here. It suggests perhaps that the difference between a half-shard and Shardplate is a sentient spren which cooperates rather than a spren which is enslaved. There are a LOT of follow-up questions to be asked... How are they made? What's the nature of the "bond" (if one exists) between fabrial and spren? Is it the same for all or can it be different? What types of spren are used? I'll leave those conversations to the rest of you.

Hey all, I've been a 17th Shard lurker for quite a while, just did a multi-week deep dive of the theories thread before coming up for air to finally join and start posting stuff. Those guys over at Reading Excuses were ultimately what drew me in to do so.

@ArcherSolid question. I'm trying to think of some way a ride could recreate "flying" via steel pushing - I'm envisioning dangling from a moving roller-coaster thing on a bungie-chord system... Another idea would be a horror-fun-house playing on the Island of Patji, with the ability to see gruesome possibilities. That'd be intense, right? What have been your favorite replies to that question?

Look, I'm sorry, but I can't make an exception for you. This "we aren't recruiting" thing had been going on for over a month. Our role play us over 200 pages long, we have about fifteen active members, I believe, and we're reaching the end of our second role play. When more people join, it just gets more complicated, and confusing, and really inconsistent. I I can't add you. I will tell you if we open up again. That's all I can do. Edit: this was also my 1000th post.

Continuing leaning in on voidus. "I love how they metagame, I said that quietly enough that they shouldn't have been able to hear it,"

When you see L C P E on a board(as it turned out, these were first initials) and immediately want to finish the O and write a N L O P E N

Not sanderfanism. But take a close look at @MacThorstenson's picture. Now look at this guy's face. See the resemblance?

Did your teammates help you with that?

Since were supposed to mention it here when we change it, my profile picture now has a mustache.

By the way, @Argent, @Pagerunner, @yulerule, and I were inducted into the Calligrapher's Guild. No, we will not divulge all of the guild's secrets.

Fair enough, but Then I doubt a fullborn could heal from that either meaning and it means that shardblades are even more deadly that I previously stated so that kind of proves my point No, because we know a Fullborn can recover from beheadings, a la The Lord Ruler. I think Miles mentions it a few times too. Miles also survives being literally blown up. A Radiant can be killed by severing the spine or completely crushing the head. Double gold heals more powerfully than stormlight. Atium doesn't need to last very long. You see the Shardblade coming, you avoid it, you pewter dash up, and sever the head with your enhanced strength. You might need one or two slices if the person is wearing Shardplate, but it will crack and break under pewter-strength, and then the head is gone. And a Fullborn...what Weltall said. There's just no winning against a fullborn with access to all the metals. And Allomancy is extremely portable. Any planet's metal, or even soulcast metal, will work. Stormlight will evaporate or leak unless you have a lot of perfect gems on you, and trying to get other types of investiture to power surgebinding is iffy at best. It most definitely does not work anywhere, and would need knowledge and skill (if then) to power it with something else.

Broseph, would you mind not double-posting please? It clutters up the board. Fullborn (a non-canon term but we don't have a more elegant one) can naturally hack two of Scadrial's magic systems to produce staggeringly powerful effects. For example, compounding the effects of steel to move faster than the human eye can follow, a Surgebinder isn't going to be able to get close without the fullborn allowing it. Or compounding gold to heal from ludicrous amounts of damage; We see a gold compounder survive dynamite exploding in his hand repeatedly and even shooting himself in the face with a shotgun, just to show off. Compounded zinc lets you think so fast that you can mentally run through every possible option for resolving a situation in less time than it takes someone else to finish saying a word and compounded pewter makes you the Incredible Hulk. And bear in mind that every single one of these abilities is independent, while Surgebinders rely on Stormlight for almost everything. And then there's atium, which in allomancy lets you see what other people are going to do in the near future and speeds up your mind and body to be able to react appropriately. On its own, it's pretty much an 'I win' button because you will always know where the Surgebinder is going to be and what they're going to do, and be able to react in time to avoid them and land a killing blow yourself. Atium is technically beatable but generally this requires either knowing how it works and thus how to counter it, outlasting it or having some form of future-sight of your own which will throw it off. The only thing we've seen in SA that comes close is Renarin's future-sight and it's not nearly as controllable as atium. So yeah, there's very good reasons why someone who has the full slate of allomantic and feruchemical powers is pretty much an unstoppable god. As I mentioned, getting close enough to hit a fullborn with a Shardblade is inherently problematic and a sufficiently charged metalmind (which a fullborn is going to have several of) can block Shardblades. Brandon hasn't canonized whether a Bloodmaker (someone with only F-Gold) could heal a Shardblade wound as it's happening but he's indicated that they should be able to heal from non-fatal ones just fine. Now factor in someone who's actively healing using F-Gold all the time, so any damage you do is being healed over as it's being inflicted. You're conflating ease of access to the magic and what you can do with it. In the former sense, neither magic is 'easy'. You need the sDNA component for Scadrian magic and you need a spren to actively choose you and go through the whole sequence of Ideals before fully coming into your power as a Surgebinder. Brandon has even said that the Nahel Bond is one of the hardest systems to access and that you can't cheat your way into it with various hacks we've seen like hemalurgy or Forgery. Also, there's a way to temporarily give anyone the power of a fullborn and while we don't know if it can be replicated, there's a more economical way of giving anyone a small selection of allomantic and/or feruchemical powers. This is no doubt going to be revolutionary in future books. Also, the Metallic Arts are much easier to use 'basically anywhere'. All you need is the right metals and they can come from anywhere in the Cosmere. By contrast, Stormlight is only found on Roshar and it evaporates away quickly so it's not nearly as easy to keep up your power source. And actually getting offworld is difficult because the spren is tied to Roshar's Cognitive region.

Yup.

Nah, the Diagram is an elaborate feignt. It's goal is not as presented. The words Taravangian was given to speak to Odium in that meeting show that the Diagram anticipated the circumstances, and I believe also knew that Odium would be aware of its words so it could not reveal its true aims. It is steering everyone, Taravangian included, towards the boon he asked. To save the world.

Last sentence is most important.

I just started reading Brandon Sanderson's stuff around December/2017, so I'm pretty new... I don't know anything but what I read in the books, so I have a lot of learning to do, hopefully this is the right place. If anyone has any info to start me off, I would be eternally grateful!! so if there's any info I wouldn't be able to possibly live without, that I just need to know to be considered a Brandon fan, then please inform me, thx

I am currently finding @Aurora the Rioter very worthy of joining TUBA. What do you think @Stormblessed Dolphin? Also, hey guys! This is my first time actually posting over here.

Here you go: Personally, I think Aesudan was nudged heavily into ingesting the gemstone to get Yelig-nar to possess her and thinking it was her own discovery. I've been wondering how exactly she figured it out*, but the implication is that Odium nudged her, since he knew about her being consumed by Yelig-nar, or she researched the myths about the Unmade and came across that tidbit. What's more interesting is that, reading between the lines, Gavilar either had found Yelig-nar or one of the other Unmade (doubtful it was Sja-anat or Ashertmarn, though). I find it weird he would not have discovered the same information Hessi did for Mythica regarding gemstone ingestion, however. I'm thinking Gavilar was trying to bond one of the Unmade in a more "I'm in control" kind of way. Or perhaps better stated: he wasn't an idiot and didn't just dive in like someone else did. * There is still the possibility that the Unmade that was found was Ba-Ado-Mishram and "planning this" is supposedly something she does (in addition to being able to Connect with others and holding the reins). The point I'm trying to make is that it's possible that Aesudan did manage to bond with an Unmade, except she was effectively manipulated into becoming Yelig-nar's host to get her out of the way and/or feed Yelig-nar. I think Aesudan has been drawing the eyes of the Unmade to Kholinar for quite some time, with what we know now. It explains why at least three of them were there, if not four or more (counting any captives). Chemoarish, Ba-Ado-Mishram and Dai-Gonarthis are the ones that are unaccounted for, for their locations, so any and all of them could have been found by now. I still think Dai-Gonarthis is captive on Aimia though.

102. When in doubt, act unpredictably. The universe's servers only have a capacity for so much entropy. With a little effort, you could crash them.

^ When that conversation (on this page and the one before) made you think, Mmm... Lies. AND I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY CONVERTED A FRIEND TO THE SANDERFANDOM!!! I told her to read the Rithmatist, and now she's reading the Reconers, and she LOVES THEM!!! IT'S MAKING ME SO HAPPY!!!

This thread isn't too abandoned for me to post, is it? Sorry if it is. Elantris The Hope of Elantris Mistborn WOA HOA AOL SOS BOM Oathbringer

Warbreaker: Slight edit to OPs The Final Empire: Well of Ascension: Hero of Ages: TWoK: