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  1. So I finished a re-read of the series after finishing Oathbringer. Hadn't planned to do that, as I did a re-read before starting Oathbringer, but it felt like so many ? moments from the earlier books have now become ! moments, I had to go back. Something I saw this time through is a trend with Kaladin over the arc of the books so far that I had not seen before. What I noticed reminded me of this worthy (non-WoB) quote: What I think: Kaladin has a tendency to shake the "them" box, and then take those that fall out and put them into the "us" box. The origin of this tendency is his father, Lirin. And I think this will become significant in the future. Of course, Kaladin does not start this way. As a slave, Kaladin has been broken down to the point of having an "us" box consisting of one person: himself. And he has been trained like this: Emphasis mine. The quote is from near the end of WoK. Those that have finished Oathbringer will note the contrast between that and what happens later in Kholinar. Bridge Four As we know, Kaladin stops caring just about himself and begins to strongly identify with Bridge Four. Over the course of WoK, they become his "us" people. But what really is Bridge Four? It starts as a set of individuals, but morphs into only an idea, a concept. Even before WoK ends, Bridge Four starts expanding to become Bridge Four Plus, as members from other bridge crews get added to the group. Here's where Kaladin begins helping wounded members of other bridge crews: So, no longer is Bridge Four limited to the original members. Other bridgemen stop being "them" and start getting added to Kaladin's group of "us." And it doesn't stop there: Bridge Four expands further to include, of all things, a Parsh. I think it meaningful for the future of the series that Kaladin brought a parshman into his 'us' group here. After his later return to Bridge Four, Rlain has a tough time, but Bridge Four only continues to grow as a concept and as a group. To include various random Herdazians. And women. And lighteyes. From Rlain's viewpoint: I'm no voidbringer, but if I had to predict the future I would bet Rlain gets over his difficulty and takes to the sky himself. Lighteyes Kaladin's attitude towards lighteyes throughout the books also slowly changes. I doubt I need to point out that lighteyes are strongly in his "them" box at the beginning of the series. But near the end of WoK, we see a small shift: In the interest of not making this fifteen pages longer, I won't trace in detail through all of Kaladin's shifts in attitude about lighteyes, but I will point out that it is masterfully done over the course of several books: his assumption of guard and leadership duties befitting a lighteyes, his ability to fit in with either lighteyes or darkeyes by shifting his own eye color, his realization that lower dahns of lighteyes in the wall guard feel towards the upper just like darkeyes feel towards lighteyes in general, not to mention just about everything with Renarin and Adolin...all these things slowly shift his concept of the lighteyes being "them" to "us." But my main point doesn't apply to Bridge Four or lighteyes. There's another "them" that looms larger: The Parsh Again, emphasis mine. Think back on the scene that WoM* references: immediately behind Kaladin was Bridge Four. You could easily interpret this to say that friends before him were Dalinar and his troops. But what was immediately in front of Kaladin in the actual scene? Who held the stormlight in gemstones in their beards? It's the Parshendi. Wait, so they are the friends now? The actual referenced scene doesn't happen too long after Kaladin labels them "the enemy." *Word of Moelach, of course. And it doesn't stop there, though this tendency does take a break in WoR. In Oathbringer, the trend goes front and center: Along these lines, I particularly like the conversations between Kaladin and Syl, regarding the shifting perspectives of right and wrong, and by inference who is right and wrong, who is "us" or "them." and All this culminates in his inability to keep the Parshmen in his "them" box: and of course in his crisis and inability to continue the fight at a critical juncture, due to these changing perspectives: There we have it. Too many people in the box marked "Us." Kaladin frozen as a result. But could this tendency of his have a different effect in the end? Might he end up putting all of Roshar into the "Us" box, and in doing so ending up being the force that unites? I think there's sufficient foreshadowing going on to point that way. Of course, there are lots of pointers heading in other directions as well, and we all know to be wary of anyone who claims to be able to see the future. So this isn't really a theory. More like it's just an observation I think will become significant. I'm not going to make any real predictions about what this may mean for Kaladin (or Dalinar), as I'd rather let Brandon tell the tale. On the other hand, Kaladin does seem rather well suited to Unite Them should Dalinar...err well, follow Honor's Path.
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  2. I'm so happy right now! I passed my last test for bachelors degree. It was a hard way to get here, but finally I made it.
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  3. When you get upset that you have no new notifications after checking back five minutes after the last time.
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  4. My name is Estariol, perhaps you've heard of me. AvacadocaDabRa! If magic does not exist, then science will attempt to emulate it. Perhaps every reference in this post is rong. 2 plus 2 IS 4... unless it's 11. Basicalthree. I was going to write a book, but then I realized, what kind of cracked out human would devote themselves to passing knowledge, entertainment or time and efort upon others. Perhaps this post is too long as it is, I lurk, but I shall return.
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  5. Well, I might be a little biased since this I'm running this game and I want as many people to sign up for it as possible, but I think the best way is to dive right in and play. It can be a bit complicated, but the good part is that you'll be on a team so you can rely on other people a bit to help you figure things out (EDIT: Also, because it's on a forum you have a lot more time to sort things out and conspire with teammates and whatnot). It's basically the same as Mafia, but with an extra dose of Sanderson, Roleplay (if you want), and interesting (some people say complicated) roles and rules added into the mix. As I said in this post earlier in this thread, if you'd like to get a feel for the game I'd suggest reading through one of the previously run games. A good choice would be any of the AGs (Anniversary Games) or LG12 (this game is a rerun of LG12, but with the rules fixed up and tweaked a bit). Also, as @Droughtbringer said, check out The Rules and The Q&A. If you don't feel ready to sign up just yet, you could sign up as a pinch hitter, meaning that in a week or two if a player goes inactive or has to drop out of the game you step in and take over their role/faction/etc. Or, alternatively, you are welcome to watch and get a link to the spectator doc where you can discuss the game with other spectators and players who have died, but in my (admittedly biased) opinion if you have time to read the game and comment on it then you have time to play, too.
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  6. This game is a fairly complicated game, but, that being said it will be a very fun one. Make sure you check out The Rules and The Q&A, as both have useful information. All SE games take quite a bit of a time commitment, so if you don't have too much time right now I would suggest against joining. If you are interested in playing a shorter game then there is also QF31 going on right now, which is less complicated and will run for less time. Although observing a game can be beneficial, jumping right in is also fun. It comes down to what you would feel more comfortable doing; observing or playing first. Also, Welcome to the community! We have a discord that we use for SE stuff over here that is a good way to get to know the community and make friends outside of killing them playing with them.
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  7. I've never done one of these before, but I'm interested. Is it complicated, or fairly easy for a newcomer? (I am familiar with Mafia, just never played in forum format.) Would it be best to observe first?
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  8. Our eldest started high school this year, started driving this month, and just got her first real boyfriend on Friday night, mere hours after I'd christened him her almost-boyfriend. So much growing up! Annie Pooh let me know that the new beau had been walking her to class, and I was all, but no touching, right? She said they had been hugging. At that point, I thought it was the perfect time to quote much of this chapter to her: And then I told her that I said all of that to say this, "NO MATING!" I told her I'd be saying that every time they hugged. And then this was the conversation: Do you have a favorite section of Oathbringer? Do you have a real-world application?
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  9. We've talked about our favorite and least characters and favorite relationships. As far as I know this isn't a topic yet. This tread is to talk about our favorite antagonists and why. My favorite villain is Sja-anat. I think is would be so cool to bond her. She would be my bond. And I like that she is considering to defect.
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  10. @Elandera, LG12 - the original version of this game, was my second game, and certainly didn’t feel too overwhelming. I’d never played mafia before joining this forum, and think you’d be absolutely fine to play this as a first game.
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  11. @Elandera I would suggest playing the QF first if you have concerns. It's a shorter format with fewer players (most likely) and rules more similar to standard Mafia than this game's. There's nothing stopping you from signing up for this game, but I know that when I started SE I was glad that my first game wasn't this complex. However, there have been players who have started in LGs and ended up doing just fine without too much stress. It just depends on the player.
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  12. Any news on if The Sanderson is attending Gencon this year? Related to that; last year there was a Worldbuilders event I missed out on and I can't find any info on if they are planning to run that again. I know there were games played and heard rumors of MtG...which is just mixing peanut butter and chocolate really. I've been at about 75% on the squee! index wondering if there will be an opportunity again this year...
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  13. I will sign up as (checks the Aons) Aladdin, a guy looking for a lamp.
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  14. My Brethren Sticks, I have encountered new revelation while pondering the tale of Stickbinder Prime. As all are Sticks and a manifestation of the Tree Realms, wouldn’t this mean-pardon my blasphemy-that even the Matchendi are our brothers in Stickdom? Consider it, a match is nothing more than a stick that has been corrupted, growing a carapace skullcap in direct revolt against the teachings of this mighty church. Fellow Sticks, we must band together, not in oppression, but support of our fallen brothers. These Matchendi are lost, they have forgotten what it truly means to be a Stick, and in their confusion and instability they have been corrupted, seeking change, to make all Sticks miserable like unto themselves. The Order of the Stick must return, spreading once again the gospel to our lost and fallen brethren. Join me, and together we will usher in a new age, one that will STICK to the hearts and minds of all who hear it’s precepts.
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  15. I second the motion put in place by @Rebecca. Hrathen was my first Sanderson "love", and he will stay that way. Give me Loki, give me Bucky Barnes, give me Hrathen.
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  16. Wait a second, we never get to see a diary of Rashek.
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  17. Hrathen, if he counts, is definitely my favorite.
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  19. 79. Become self-aware and slowly and subtly manipulate the events around you to the point where the author needs you to continue and form the story and your death would make the world fall apart. (So be like Joker or Deadpool).
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  20. One that always gets me is Tindwyl and Sazed. I don’t know why I like it so much, it just seems real and believable to me. And of course it fuels all of Sazed’s incredibly beautiful character arc in HoA. Aaaaaand now I’m going to go find a corner and cry about it. (Every storming time.)
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  21. Hi everyone, Jared from the OAASS (Official Assassination Assessment Specialization Society). I came to the Ghostbloods to assess their assassination skills and to give them an official OAASS rank out of 50. 1. Assassination was a success: 2. Sneakiness: 8 (pretty sneaky) 3. Planning: 8 (No contingencies, but still a solid plan) 4. Difficulty: 9 (They assassinated the target easily) 5. Flair: 10 (Ok, the method here was pure genius) 6. Time: 9 (Quick) A total of 44/50. Very nice. Would use again. Now, time to assess the Assassins in Technicolors.
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  22. My favorite is Kaladin and Tien. It is so sad and I have a brother. I don't ever want to lose him. I really just connect with Kaladin the most in SA. Also any of Kaladins relationships with bridge four especially Teft. Any Kaladin relationship. I really want something to happen between him and lyn. I digress. Another is Lopen and Rua. Lastly is Hoid and his insults.
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  23. This kind of thing has been going around.. and I am just curious about what the status is in the community. Also, any relationship is allowed. (Romantic, friendly, familial, etc.) Mine is personally Sarene and Raoden.
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  24. TLR, he was a cool villian but when i really Like him was when we know more about him in the third book
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  25. Denth all the way is the best. I love how he just laughs while he tells Vivenna who he really is. I hated Vivenna’s chapter until he showed up. Then I loved them.
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  26. Good news: I published a fanfiction! Bad news: it's about an obscure superhero card game no one's ever heard of.
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  27. Hi everyone, My name is Julio, I'm new to the whole Sanderson world, getting into it through the Stormlight Archive and having read also Elantris. I really like his world building and storytelling abilities, having started on the Mistborn as well and looking into others. I feel that he preserve some of the classical approach to fantasy, drinking from the fountain of Tolkien and others, diverging from the current GRRM more dark fantasy. I feel that sometimes it's too good vs evil, but he keeps surprising me with nice turns and deep philosophical and moral questions.
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  28. Of course i love all the members of the crew, especialy vin and kelsier just because it focuses mostly on them but marsh in my opinion is my favourite character just because of the sacrifice he did. Another choice would be sazed because of the change he had after tyndwils death. least favourite: I first thought about breeze but as it is mentioned, you can really see how good he really is. Therefore Yeden all the way!
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  29. Marsh is a typical fan-favorite. A somewhat minor character, but one who gives off a badass feel. He also looks cool, struggles between the light and the dark, and has awesome magical powers. I love the guy, but Kelsier is my favorite character in fiction, so I go with him. He is brilliant, both as a character, and as a concept. The themes Brandon explores with him are fascinating. He is a hero, a villain, a trickster, a theif, a murderer, a magician, a fighter and a martyr. He was the one who died, but at the same time, he always finds a way to stay alive and keeps on hanging around. Also, he is funny. Least favorite is Spook. I thought his development in HoA felt rushed, and I am not very fond of him. Yeden kind of feels like the easy way out to that question, since he dies early and is pretty unsymphatetic until then. He never got the chance at being as developed as the others. Whoever picked Dockson as the best one is awesome. He is underrated.
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  30. Ahhhhh, of course! Have an upvote. (I was actually sitting there thinking for five seconds before I realized it, well done)
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  31. So i love the Mistborn books. But it seams I like them for much different reasons then most people do. Everyone else raves about the magic system, and world building. To me they're the weakest parts, and no where up to standards set in Brandon's other books. The magic system is so simplest. You drink the metal, you gain the power. I am I fan of video game like 'hard' magic. But all of Brandon's other magic system are much more 'mystical', and 'magical'. Allomancy just feels too much like a video game. And the world building. All of Brandon's other books feature a wide array of different cultures, subcultures, peoples, and religions. In Mistborn there are skaa, and nobles, no one else. I know there's an in world reason for this; An oppressive government which has enforced the same culture, and religion on everyone. But it still feels like the world is just a back drop for the story. Rather then a living place full of other stories. I do really love Mistborn for it's story and characters. I've read era 1 twice, and will probably read them again. And i think the world building in era two is a lot better.
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  32. How do you think plastic is fine but paper isn't? Paper's biodegradable where plastic isn't. I find reusable bags annoying because most of the time they aren't even that reusable and easily tear (straps mainly) under the slightest pressure.Reusable bags are generally much larger than plastic/paper ones and don't really distribute weight that well, whereas plastic/paper hold less and don't rip as much.
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  33. When you want this place to be a real community. When you want to start a Sanderson to take over the world. Sanderdomination!!!
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  34. Nearly put metal buttons on her cloak during my insomnious haze of finishing this. Heh heh.
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  35. Has this particular quote come up in the conversation so far? I haven't seen it and I think it's a major clue as to what's going on here, even though I can't quite make sense of it. This is Dalinar's flashback where Evi arrives with Adolin and Renarin (ch. 52) So Gavilar had some kind of "plan with the Crownlands" apparently? We know that Gavilar was concerned by how the Sunmaker's children tore his kingdom apart, so it's not surprising that he would be concerned with how Elhokar would play along with his cousins. We also know that he wanted to set up a united Alethkar, not just "10 princedoms with one in charge". Maybe Gavilar had plans to turn the Crownlands into a sort of... District of Columbia kind of situation? Almost like an 11th princedom for the king to directly rule over (though probably different in some ways). Some way to set apart the King from the Kholin Princedom in a more significant way. Perhaps Gavilar simply died before he was able to complete these plans, leaving Elhokar with a giant chunk of land... but one that simply wasn't developed enough to require significant attention. Doesn't feel like a perfect explanation... Elhokar could have devoted time to seeing that plan through instead of meddling with Dalinar's land. Maybe someone else has a better thought? Either way, I think there's something important buried in that quote.
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  36. If we don’t get an interlude or a short story about a Herdazian who has bonded two Spren, and has gone off on a madcap buddy comedy road trip adventure... I’m going to be disappointed.
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  37. This is much improved! I'm a little sad the genki vibe is almost completely missing, and to me, she's veering close to a sort of generic "spunky kid" archetype, however this version is a big improvement over the previous one! (and I'm still snickering at "cloud layer" ) Much, much more. She has more of a personality and an opinion on the things that go on around her. She's still kind of reacting and commenting more than doing, but it is chapter one, so hopefully that change. Getting close to generic "children must snark" tropes for me, but it's only one chapter, so there's still time. Still reading fairly androgynous to me. I don't think any gender would be put off Much moreso than the previous version!
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  38. Oh. I feel like there are a lot of hints that Adonalsium was not in fact the most powerful being in the universe. I have a feeling that the real god will be something more along the lines of, to quote hoid, “in the hearts of men”
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  39. It was really cool to see that that fan theory was right after all that time. I have no idea who really tried to guess it in the first place, but kudos to them for calling it.
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  40. "But father I don't want any of that. I'd rather....I'd rather....just....sing." "You're not going to do a song while I'm here!"
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  41. For me, it's gotta be Wax and Steris. I love how Brandon took a character who was socially awkward and wove the story so that it was believable that she could be a romantic lead, and how her quirks actually helped the "good guys" win. She tries so hard and is so dear, and it's just so cool that the hero sees that and comes to love her in her own right, not just an arranged marriage. For any relationship, not just romantic, I'd say Dalinar's love for his two sons, and how we've seen that develop.
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  42. I think Shardplate is related to Radiants' bonds to lesser sub spren. I think Kaladin was attracting wind spren because his bond was deepening as he drew closer to the fourth oath and his Plate. He also randomly drew them during the Thaylen city battle for no apparent reason.
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  43. Why are one-armed Herdazians so entertaining? They're always making off-hand comments.
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  44. I will first say Dumai Wells is tops. Just an excellent scene. I open up and read the end to "Lords of Chaos" at least once a year. One of my personal favorite scenes, however, is when Mat is complaining to Talmanes about women during Mat's first scene in "Towers of Midnight". It is about three pages worth of Mat ranting and it cracks me up every single time. I reread this scene every year or so as well.
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  45. Click on the arrow next to your name up top and select account settings. Once there, click on the signature tab and viola.
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  46. What did Nale say when he recruited Szeth? Naled it
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  47. Shallan, I filled up the background with different items related to her character from the books. I always imagined Pattern as a weird mobius strip conundrum.
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